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The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!
The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:28:30 AM PST by SheLion

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To: cinFLA
These guys are dangerous

I find it somewhat ironic that you universally think that the drug legalization crowd is dangerous (I do think Soros is, but ALL anti-WoD people? No) yet you refuse to condemn the Gestapo tactics by government to invade private property, damage or destroy private property, sticking guns in the faces of highschool students and even summary executions without trials of American citizens, even children.

421 posted on 11/12/2003 5:28:31 AM PST by xrp
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To: cinFLA; Gabz
"Common sense tells us that it's just not possible for a small percentage of restaurant smokers who now can't smoke at the bar to have such a large impact on revenues."

Revenues vs. profit. Common sense, get some. Food, 10-20% profit. Alcohol, 200% profit.
422 posted on 11/12/2003 5:44:20 AM PST by CSM (Moose Flatulence, MF for short is a bain on our future. Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: CSM
Revenues vs. profit. Common sense, get some. Food, 10-20% profit. Alcohol, 200% profit.

I'm sorry, I don't get it! Is there a difference between the Bud Light I can buy at the grocery store for about 60 cents a bottle and the same bottle of Bud Light that costs me $3 at a bar? I don't understand!!!

423 posted on 11/12/2003 6:06:33 AM PST by xrp
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To: SheLion
First, I would like to find out who these 2000 New Yorkers are who died of second hand smoke.

But, let me tell you: Many bars in NYC are ignoring the no-smoking ban. One I visit frequently, which will go unnamed, looks the other way when patrons smoke and often, the bartenders are smoking as well.

I also visited a bar/restaurant/cigar shop in Little Italy that blatantly allows any smoking, including cigar smoking, on the premises. I asked someone who works there about it, and he said, "The city is scared to death of us." They have been there for 45 years or so.
424 posted on 11/12/2003 6:13:34 AM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: xrp
I often laugh at the fact that I am willing to pay $2.25 per MGD at a bar yet look for it on sale when buying it for home!
425 posted on 11/12/2003 6:40:10 AM PST by CSM (Moose Flatulence, MF for short is a bain on our future. Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: xrp
find it somewhat ironic that you universally think that the drug legalization crowd is dangerous (I do think Soros is, but ALL anti-WoD people? No)

I find it ironic that YOU put words in other peoples' handles.

426 posted on 11/12/2003 6:46:57 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
Of course I refute the conclusion. Because of the obvious bias in it.

Then we must refute ALL that you have posted due to your obvious bias. Besides, you haven't posted anything of substance; just ramblings while I have posted MANY items of fact.

427 posted on 11/12/2003 6:48:45 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
Just remember - any place mentioned in any news story does not count.

I guess you will have to throw out the original story that started this thread, huh?

428 posted on 11/12/2003 6:50:22 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: SheLion
Just remember - any place mentioned in any news story does not count.


417 posted on 11/11/2003 9:38 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
429 posted on 11/12/2003 6:52:37 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I find it ironic that YOU put words in other peoples' handles.

I find it ironic that YOU put words in other peoples' postings.

430 posted on 11/12/2003 6:55:12 AM PST by xrp
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To: Gabz
I agree with you. and they totaly UNDERestimated the number of people who would stay away if the ban went into effect.

Provide a basis for your claim.

431 posted on 11/12/2003 6:56:34 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
"Second hand smoke causes asthma."

There is absolutely nothing to back up that statement in the way of scientific proof.

Second-hand smoke has been linked to asthma People whose partners smoke are nearly five times more likely to develop asthma in adulthood than those who are not exposed to passive smoking, according to new research. And those who are exposed to second hand smoke at work are more than twice as likely to develop respiratory problems.

The risks of exposing children to passive smoking are already well-documented but until now, a direct link between passive smoking and asthma in adults has not been proven.

Now a team of scientists, led by Maritta Jaakkola, from the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health in Helsinki, has produced the first hard evidence to prove that passive smoking does play a role in the development of adult asthma.

Exposure

The scientists studied a total of 718 people, none of whom had ever smoked, from a region in southern Finland.

A total of 231 had been diagnosed with asthma in the previous two-and-a-half years - the remaining 487 represented the control group.

The team compared the amount of exposure the two groups had had to passive smoking over a 12-month period and found that the development of adult asthma was more prevalent in those who had had the most exposure.

Maritta Jaakkola, who presented her findings at the 11th European Congress on Lung Disease and Respiratory Medicine in Berlin this week, said: "Our results demonstrate conclusively that passive smoking plays a role in the development of adult asthma."

'Ground-breaking study'

Clive Bates, from anti-smoking group Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), believes the study will have enormous implications for employers who have not introduced anti-smoking regulations in the work-place.

He said: "This is a ground-breaking study which proves that passive smoking more than doubles the risk of developing asthma in adulthood.

"So, if employers have been negligent in reducing smoking in the work place, employees who develop asthma will have a fair chance of proving it was caused by passive smoking.

"And they will be able to claim thousands of pounds in compensation through the courts."

Mr Bates called on the government to introduce passive smoking legislation to reduce the risk of law suits to employers.

A German study, the results of which were also presented at the conference, linked passive smoking to lung cancer in women who had never smoked.

Meanwhile a study carried out in Italy reinforced the Finnish findings and also found that women were more likely to be exposed to passive smoking than men.

432 posted on 11/12/2003 7:02:47 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: xrp
I find it ironic that you, a non-smoker, soliciting for another girlfriend, would hang out on a smoking thread. I guess you don't mind the taste of an ashtray. Or maybe you just believe the old saying that girls that smoke are easy?
433 posted on 11/12/2003 7:22:18 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I find it ironic that you, a non-smoker, soliciting for another girlfriend, would hang out on a smoking thread. I guess you don't mind the taste of an ashtray. Or maybe you just believe the old saying that girls that smoke are easy?

It has nothing to do with smoking, et al. It has to do with frenzied moral crusaders using government to force Americans to live their lives a particular way or run their business a particular way. Are we getting through that concrete noggin of yours yet?

434 posted on 11/12/2003 7:25:39 AM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
I know that your girlfriend doesn't know you are soliciting on FR for another gf but I have a question - Does your present gf smoke?
435 posted on 11/12/2003 7:36:01 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA; Beck_isright
I know that your girlfriend doesn't know you are soliciting on FR for another gf but I have a question - Does your present gf smoke?

No way, I don't date smokers. Why do you insist on all the personal questions, while continuing to dodge my politically related questions posed to you, just like a liberal Democrat (You've been NAILED!).

436 posted on 11/12/2003 7:40:32 AM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
Why do you insist on all the personal questions,

Just trying to help you out. Maybe I will find the 'right' one for you!

437 posted on 11/12/2003 7:47:56 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: xrp
No way, I don't date smokers.

Why not? Is there something you find distasteful about smokers?

438 posted on 11/12/2003 7:49:16 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Why not? Is there something you find distasteful about smokers?

Yes. I also find the consumption of coffee and pork and beans distasteful but I don't see the point in using government to prevent people from consuming them or running a business where people are allowed to drink coffee or serve pork and beans. What if someone tried to use the power of government to force me to stop eating steaks and drinking milk?

439 posted on 11/12/2003 7:53:02 AM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
Yes. I also find the consumption of coffee and pork and beans distasteful but I don't see the point in using government to prevent people from consuming them or running a business where people are allowed to drink coffee or serve pork and beans. What if someone tried to use the power of government to force me to stop eating steaks and drinking milk?

You mean to say that the government is trying to take away your right to date smokers? Wow! This is a new one on me. Please keep me informed. I will work to defend your right to date a smoker!

440 posted on 11/12/2003 8:05:34 AM PST by cinFLA
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