The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!

The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

[cinFLA]

In a state as small as Delaware, one does not continue having access to information without having more than just an iota of credibility.

Please post some actual data; not just your ramblings ...

[xrp]

Please post some actual data; not just your ramblings ...

Please post some actual data; not just your ramblings ...

[Gabz]

A sampling of several of the centers shows the feared flight of league players has not materialized.

Who did the sampling???? And what is their agenda???

A sampling of the pool leagues, generally found in bars will show that most that existed at this time last year - either don't exist or are playing in Maryland or if they have stayed in Delawre are utilizing the Elks and Moose Lodges.

Who did that sampling? - the owners of the bars that have lost their pool leagues. You won't see that printed in the News Journal - because the editorial position of that left wing rag is totally in favor of the ban and will not print anything that shows the ban to be hurting business.

[cinFLA]

Banning smoking in restaurants, frankly, is not that big a deal. It is happening all over the country," said Repace. "The State of California did it years ago. What they found was that there was not a flow, or at least a net flow, of trade across the lines. I have no doubt that some smokers may have gone over the line. But, since non-smokers outnumber smokers by about four to one, the revenues from hospitality went up markedly in restaurants after the smoking ban," he explained. "Prior to that, the revenues were flat. There is either no adverse economic impact or beneficial impact."

[Gabz]

You have got to be kidding me??????

Are you so dense as to not realize I was refering to what I know about how the vote on the ban came about????

Obviously you are.

How much time have you spent in the capitol of Florida to know what is going on in your state, or do you just rely on the media and the internet to know what is going on????

I've spent the past 21 years working with the government of Delaware in one way or another, and plan to continue to do so come January and the return of the Legislature.

If anyone is rambling it is you. and if you think you are going to use your ramblings to avoid the point that you were caught misrepresenting something I said about something I know more about than you - you are seriously mistaken.

[cinFLA]

April 1, 2003 (Chicago) -- Anti-smoking groups have long contended that smoking bans can have a positive effect on public health, and now they have proof: When Helena, Mont., enacted a smoking ban in public buildings, there was a 60% drop in heart attack admissions at local hospitals.


"What surprised us was how quickly there was an impact from this ordinance," says Richard Sargent, MD, who presented the study at the American College of Cardiology's 52nd Annual Scientific Session. "Also interesting, we found that people from the surrounding area around Helena, where smoking was permitted, still had similar heart attack levels. I liken it to a doughnut. In the hole is smoke-free Helena. In the dough is high-smoke, high-heart-attack surrounding area."


"This striking finding suggests that protecting people from the toxins in secondhand smoke not only makes life more pleasant; it immediately starts saving lives," says co-author Stanton Glantz, PhD, professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, Cardiovascular Research Institute and a statistics authority. "This work substantially raises the stakes in debates over enacting and protecting smoke-free ordinances."

[xrp]

Ok thanks. So you're saying that you are all for government intervention in private business. Who is on Soros' payroll now, commie!!??

[auboy]

BTTT

[xrp]

Rights derive from society. Without society's wish to grant your rights, you have no rights.

559 posted on 07/16/2003 1:43 PM PDT by cinFLA

[Gabz]

Repace is paid to say those kinds of things.

Please - give me someone who is at least credible.

Considering you are in Florida, I will go out on a limb and assume you are well aware of the wind strengths of a hurricane. Are you aware that Repace considers 300mph winds to be "gale force"????

[cinFLA]

New York City: A study published in the Journal of Public Health Management and Practice, reported that hotels and restaurants in New York City experienced increases in taxable sales revenue after the 1995 smokefree air act took effect. Furthermore, the sales at eating and drinking establishments in NYC went up as a percentage of both total sales in the city and total restaurant sales from New York State after the law was implemented. Researchers stated that, “Based on these data, it can be concluded that the smoke-free law did not harm the restaurant industry in New York City.” (Hyland, Cummings, and Nauenberg, “Analysis of Taxable Sales Receipts: Was New York City’s Smoke-Free Air Act Bad for Restaurant Business?” Journal of Public Health Management and Practice, January

[Beck_isright]

Give it up. cinFLA is a neo-socialist. He likes some aspects of capitalism, but God forbid his comforts are disturbed because you are doing something on your property, thus he believes the state should control most aspects of ownership. He believes property is part of the state and you have no rights to it. In other words he is the perfect poster child for DU. And he's only on the smoking and other property rights threads to agitate. His drivel has long ago been ignored and discounted by numerous Constitutionalists. Don't waste your breath. You're speaking to McAuliffe's little clone when you argue with the moron.

[cinFLA]

Please - give me someone who is at least credible.

Please give me something! You have posted NO facts to support your basis. If you are so 'linked' to the capital in-crowd, you surely must have your hands on some 'real data' ....

[xrp]

Hey, you don't have to convince me about it. I'm a non-smoker and I patronize the establishments that are exclusively non-smoking restaurants. However, I do not think that I should force my choice upon a private business owner who believes that he/she can get better revenue with an environment that permits smoking. See how it works?

[Gabz]

That's it - there is no talking to you at all.

Stanton Glantz is a mechanical engineer who has taken courses in cardio-related stuff. He brings buckets of $$$$$$ to UCBerzerkly because of his anti tobacco stance.

He has claimed a study that is not coming out the way he wants it will not be completed (paraphrasing).

He's also on board with those touting a study that the lung cancer rate in California decreased after the smoking ban there - there is a problem with that particular study the antis claim to prove their point - it was completed 2 years PRIOR to the total California smoking ban.

As I have asked - please provide someone with some credibility.

[Gabz]

The 1995 Act did not prohibit all smoking in all locations.

You, again, are only giving the facts you wish to give.

[xrp]

And he's only on the smoking and other property rights threads to agitate.

What's even more funny is that on many of the War on Drugs related threads he will post 100+ times some jibber-jabber about George Soros, yet he doesn't bother to post on any of the Soros related threads that have been hitting FR lately!

[cinFLA]

Restaurants and bars typically have high fail rates. About one quarter of new restaurants and bars fail every year. Now in NYC, every time a restaurant or bar fails, the media points to NYC's smokefree workplace law.

This week's New York Post article featuring Joan Borkowski (owner of Billy's Steakhouse) saying that revenues were down 50% is particularly suspect for the following reasons: 1) Joan was Philip Morris' front person during the 1995 battle, 2) After passage of NYC's 1995 law, she also said revenues were down some huge amount, 3) Her restaurant, like almost all NYC restaurants, was already smokefree (except at the bar) before passage of the current law, 4) Approximately 80% of New Yorkers don't smoke, 5) The 20% of New Yorkers who do smoke tend to have lower income and therefore eat out less often 6) New York Post owner Rupert Murdoch was on the Board of Philip Morris from 1989 until 2001.

There is no way that NYC's new smokefree workplace law could cause a 50% drop in business at Billy's Steakhouse. If Joan's business is down that much, she must be putting ashes in the food. Common sense tells us that it's just not possible for a small percentage of restaurant smokers who now can't smoke at the bar to have such a large impact on revenues. It sounds to me like the tobacco industry is planting fictitious stories.

[Beck_isright]

Hey, don't look for the neo-coms to post anything bad about their hero, Soros....If Georgie succeeds, he'll get to be in the new D.C. Politburo like cin.....

[cinFLA]

Repace is paid to say those kinds of things.

How much are YOU paid to say the things you say????