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We have indeed adressed those issues.

We -have- pointed out repeatedly is that there is no other leader in Europe that condemned Hitler in 1941-1942. Pius was the only one who -wasn't- silent. You simply ignore this as irrelevant.

But since you are such a -fair- individual, then I would like to see you going around various websites and condemn the International Red Cross as well.

"The drama faced by the International Committee of the Red Cross, with its seat likewise in Geneva, is perhaps even more striking. The Committee is officially charged by international agreement with supervising the application of the Red Cross Conventions on Prisoners of War. But the needs of civilian internees (read, Jews) increasingly alarmed the members of the committee. The Red Cross had no real knowledge of the extermination camps at this time (in the autumn of 1942) but the harshness of German procedures, and even more so the sinister disappearance of so many thousands into the maw of deportation, suggested the necessity of an open and public protest on the part of the Committee. With profound regret, the Geneva Red Cross decided that a public protest, a) would have no effect, b) would compromise what real good the Committee was already doing for the internees, without benefit of public declarations. And indeed in the following war years, the International Committee of the Red Cross was able to achieve a great deal in its efforts at alleviating suffering."

Just as the Church did. No Jews condemned the Red Cross. All Jews alive at the time recognized the absolute need for pro-Jewish voices to not speak publically against Hitler for fear of compromising their ability to aid Jews privately. The Pope was the ONLY agency in Europe to speak openly against Hitler for several years -anyway-, as noted by Albert Einstein.

Tell me, if you were hiding half a dozen Jews in your basement during the War, would you have gone out into the street and railed at injustices of Hitler? You'd be a nominee for the Darwin Award, and there'd be 6 more dead Jews.

"He should have spoken out more!" So should everyone else. He spoke out more than anyone else. Why is the one guy who did more than anyone else the one who gets the most blame?

"He could have done more!" Well, yes. This is an irrefutable charge that can be made against anyone in any situation that manages to survive. Why are you reading this thread instead of helping the homeless? Hmmm. It seems you are indifferent to the plight of the homeless. I don't care if you go out and help the homeless 3 times a week and twice on Sundays, you are not there now so you could be doing more. Therefore, you are callous and indifferent.

This is the way all good propaganda works. Anyone could -always- do more. How else do you condemn a genuine hero?

Qwinn

We have indeed adressed those issues.

No. Not one of these specific points have been adequately addresses.

We -have- pointed out repeatedly is that there is no other leader in Europe that condemned Hitler in 1941-1942. Pius was the only one who -wasn't- silent. You simply ignore this as irrelevant.

I simply ignore it as misleading and incorrect.

by xmas of 1942 the handwriting was on the wall, and everybody was piling onto Hitler. It was before 1939, with the war in doubt, and with the holocaust being prepped or executed that the silence hurt.

And during this time, many leaders were appalled by Hitler--at dinner parties, in semi-formal matters of tangential moment, under the cups to their spouses. Much as Pius was in the cites that have been offered up here. At the risk of repeating myself--it is not the job of the Voice of Jesus to natter about poo-poo'ing. It is the job of the Voice of Jesus to put matters of prudence and politics aside and speak moral truth loud and clear about matters of terrrible moment.