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To: presidio9
I see. So your new theory is that the Pope only condoned the kidnapping of one child to be brought up catholic. So I guess it's not so inconceivable after all, eh?

A new chapter in the history of forced baptism began in 1543, with the establishment of the House of Catechumens in Rome, which rapidly took hold in other cities. Any person who, by whatever casuistry, could be considered to have shown an inclination towards Christianity, could be immure in the House of Cathecumens “to explore his intention,” all the while being submitted to unremitting pressure. A popular superstition which claimed that any person who secured the baptism of an unbeliever was assured of paradise, lead to a spate of such procedures throughout the Catholic world.

In the mid-18th century the Jesuits were the main enforcers of this practice. Several cases became infamous. In 1762 the son of the rabbi of Carpentras was pounced upon and baptized in ditch water, and thereafter lost to his family. The kidnapping for baptism of Terracina children in 1783 caused a revolt in the Roman ghetto. In 1858, Edgardo Mortara, aged six, was abducted by papal police from his family in Bologna, and taken to the House of Catechumens. The boy had been secretly baptized five years previously by a domestic servant who thought he was about to die. The parents tried in vain to get their child back. Napoleon III, Cavour and Franz Joseph were among those who protested and Moses Montefiore traveled to the Vatican in an unsuccessful attempt to release the child.

The founding of the Alliance Israélite Universelle in 1860 “to defend the civil rights of the Jews” was partly in reaction to this case. The pope rejected all petitions and by 1870, when his secular power came to an end, the boy had ceased to be Edgardo. He had taken the pope’s name (Pius), and had become a novice in the Augustinian order and an ardent conversionist in six languages. Mortara’s tragic end was his death in Belgium in 1940, weeks before the Nazi invasion, in this way narrowly avoiding an unwilling return to his Jewish roots.

In the Russian Empire during the second quarter of the 19th century, the institution of the Cantonists was introduces, which involved the virtual kidnapping for military service of Jewish male children from the age of 12, or even 8, with the explicit intention of compelling them to abandon Judaism.

from:

The Nature of Judeophobia
Gustavo D. Perednik

This twelve-lecture course is transmitted by Internet since 1997 when it was presented by "The Jewish University in Cyberspace." During 2000 and 2001, the book by Gustavo Perednik "Judeophobia" was published in Spanish. This course summarizes the core of the book.

see also:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=273&letter=C

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/akz/akz2112.htm

168 posted on 11/06/2003 1:13:21 PM PST by donh (1)
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To: donh
I see. So your new theory is that the Pope only condoned the kidnapping of one child to be brought up catholic. So I guess it's not so inconceivable after all, eh?

Not at all. You indicated that this practice was commonplace in the late 18th century. You used the plural "children." In fact it happened once and there were extenuating circumstances. BTW, there were no "Inquisators" in Rome in 1858, as the author suggests.

172 posted on 11/06/2003 1:26:45 PM PST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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To: donh
I see. So your new theory is that the Pope only condoned the kidnapping of one child to be brought up catholic. So I guess it's not so inconceivable after all, eh?

Not at all. You indicated that this practice was commonplace in the late 18th century. You used the plural "children." In fact it happened once and there were extenuating circumstances. BTW, there were no "Inquisators" in Rome in 1858, as the author suggests.

173 posted on 11/06/2003 1:26:46 PM PST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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