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Fifteen die as US helicopter downed
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Posted on 11/02/2003 11:24:41 AM PST by Lessismore

Fifteen American soldiers have been killed and 21 wounded in an attack on a US military helicopter in Iraq, the US military has confirmed.

It is the highest number of casualties suffered by the US-led coalition in a single incident since Saddam Hussein was toppled in April.

The helicopter came down in a cornfield near the flashpoint town of Falluja, 50 kilometres (32 miles) west of the capital.

Iraqi witnesses said it was hit by one of two surface-to-air missiles fired at it, but the US military has not confirmed the cause.

One military spokesman said the helicopter was hit by an "unknown weapon", but later, the military said it might have crashed while taking evasive action.

"We are aware of eyewitnesses seeing what they presumed to be missile trails," US army Colonel William Darley told reporters.

'Tragic day'

The helicopter was one of two twin-rotor Chinooks flying nearly 60 personnel from a US military base to Baghdad International Airport, from where they were due to fly abroad for rest and recreation.

Sunday marked the start of an expanded leave programme for US personnel - many of whom have been in the region for more than a year.

The helicopter was almost totally destroyed in the incident, which happened at about 0900 (0600 GMT). Television pictures showed US personnel recovering the dead and wounded from smoking debris.

Responding to the news, US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the US would continue its war on global terror and efforts to stabilise Iraq.

"Clearly it is a tragic day for Americans," Mr Rumsfeld told ABC television.

"In a long hard war we are going to have tragic days."

Some Iraqis in Falluja expressed delight at Sunday's attack.

"The Americans are pigs. We will hold a celebration because this helicopter went down - a big celebration," an Iraqi farmer near the crash site told Reuters news agency.

The downing of the helicopter was one of a number of attacks on US forces in Iraq on Sunday.

One American soldier died when his convoy was attacked in the early hours in Baghdad, while unconfirmed reports say up to four troops were killed in an attack on a convoy in Falluja.

Falluja lies within the so-called "Sunni triangle" of central Iraq - a largely Sunni Muslim area where resistance to the US-led coalition's occupation has been intense.

US military officials have repeatedly warned that hundreds of surface-to-air missiles remain unaccounted for in Iraq.

The Chinook, which has a crew of four, is a heavy-lift helicopter used primarily for moving troops and transporting artillery.

Intensified attacks

A total of 138 American troops have now been killed in attacks since US President George W Bush declared major combat operations over on 1 May - more than died in the war itself.

Attacks on coalition troops have intensified in the past week, reaching an average of more than 30 a day.

The BBC's Jill McGivering in Baghdad says the planning and execution of some recent attacks has led to speculation the militants opposed to the coalition have now formed into a more cohesive, better organised force.

There had been rumours that this weekend would see co-ordinated attacks on coalition targets.

A senior British member of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, told the BBC that the people carrying out the attacks were a "nasty mix".

He said they were supporters of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, "imported terrorists", and criminals released from jail by the former regime before it fell.

Sunday's incidents follow an announcement by the chief US administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, that he wants to accelerate the handover of authority to Iraqis.

MAJOR POST-WAR ATTACKS

27 Oct: 36 killed in co-ordinated suicide attacks on Red Cross HQ and police stations in Baghdad

29 Aug: Shia Muslim cleric Ayatollah Mohammed Baqr al-Hakim among 80 killed in bombing in Najaf

19 Aug: UN special representative among 22 killed in attack on UN HQ in Baghdad


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: fallen; iraq
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To: Michael81Dus
What's your take on the big demo against reforms in Berlin?

The recent flap about the Germans removed from eastern Europe after WWII makes me uneasy. On the one hand, I sympathize, and I have even met some of them here in Chicago. They are surely due some respect for their suffering, but it is very difficult to do so without raising a lot of fear among the Poles and Czechs. For them, the removals are considered a legitimate act of self-defense against possible German revanchism, although they recognize and deplore the often brutal way in which it was done. The Poles have even convicted, I believe, some Communist camp commanders for brutality against the German deportees.

In any case, my point is that I much prefer a strong and confident Germany that doesn't wallow in victimhood, and to me, such wallowing strikes me as Undeutsch.

PS-- My wife and I will be in Berlin around Christmas. After having been verbally attacked in a small Kneipe as a Welsher (due to my dark hair and eyes) the last time I was in Berlin, what kind of atmosphere can I look forward to as an American now? It's not a rhetorical question- my wife thinks I'm making too much of one drunken oaf in a bar.

41 posted on 11/02/2003 1:24:00 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: Michael81Dus
"If we don´t take care, our society and economy are going down. "

There you go again. On a thread about the murder of 15 troops, you spew DNC talking points. Couldn't help yourself, huh?

What do you mean "WE"??

Your tag is German, your homepage is all about Germany, and your flag is (surprise) that of Germany.

Knock off the 'we' crap. You have chosen your side by your words and actions.
42 posted on 11/02/2003 1:25:14 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (Screw 'the security' plan in Iraq. It's time to 'go Saddam' on their medieval asses...)
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To: New Horizon
The families, that's the hard part. The emptiness they will experience. As I said before:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013170/posts?page=171#171

43 posted on 11/02/2003 1:26:20 PM PST by swheats
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To: Levante
This PC crap is binding our military like nothing else.

How did PC cause this attack on our soldiers?

44 posted on 11/02/2003 1:35:47 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
LOL, you´ve misunderstood me. Cool down. I was referring to the German economy, not to the American.

I´ve chosen my side on the war on terrorism and Op Iraqi Freedom: the US side. Therefore, it´s possible that I sometimes refer to "we" as the US side, even though I´m not a US citizen. Forgive me.
45 posted on 11/02/2003 1:42:56 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: templar
"New Republic senior editor Lawrence Kaplan recently wrote on 'America’s near-invisible wounded.' Bob speaks with Kaplan about covering the wounded and why the media seem to be steering clear."

Audio of interview found here: http://www.wnyc.org/onthemedia/
46 posted on 11/02/2003 1:43:21 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Michael81Dus
Inside every German is a Nazi dying to come out, no?
47 posted on 11/02/2003 1:49:34 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Pardon?
48 posted on 11/02/2003 1:51:41 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: templar
Do the wounded ever die anymore? Seems I never hear the wounded being added to the number killed on the news reports.

The number killed started at 12, and has now increased to 15. So either some wounded died or there was just a better accounting.

However, military medicine has improved to the point where wounded are much less likely to die than in previous wars. The ratio of wounded to killed is reportedly 7 to 1, whereas 2 to 1 would have been more typical earlier.

49 posted on 11/02/2003 1:55:49 PM PST by Lessismore
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To: Michael81Dus
Sorry. I am really worked up about 17 dead today.

50 posted on 11/02/2003 1:56:36 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals (Screw 'the security' plan in Iraq. It's time to 'go Saddam' on their medieval asses...)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
No offense taken. I perfectly understand your hatred on these cowardly pieces of $#!t.
51 posted on 11/02/2003 1:59:18 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Lessismore
Sad day in the War Between Good and Evil...MUD
53 posted on 11/02/2003 5:32:08 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
PC didn't CAUSE the attack.

PC is binding our military. It's apparent that we didn't destroy enough of these terrorists and killers. Why are we not surrounding Tikrit and Fallujah and conducting a huge sweep to find weapons these people are using to kill our troops? Why is LTC West being seen by many as a criminal, by threatening a thug who had knowledge that, if properly used, would prevent an ambush that would lead to yet more unnecessary American deaths. This is war. It doesn't seem like we're treating it like it is. We seem overly absorbed about "offending" Muslim sensibilities, whereas our troops are getting killed! It seems to be all about PC!
54 posted on 11/02/2003 6:56:36 PM PST by Levante
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To: Levante
This PC crap is binding our military like nothing else.

No other conquering army in history has allowed such freedom, so maybe it is past time to go for the crunch. Root them out.

55 posted on 11/02/2003 7:16:32 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Indeed. Thanks for the heads up!
56 posted on 11/02/2003 7:56:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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