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Southern California Fires -- Live Thread 10/29

Posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:04 PM PST by lainie

Cal Fire Maps

http://wildfire.cr.usgs.gov/ca_geomac/viewer.htm

http://www.incidentcontrol.com

http://www.firedetect.ssd.nesdis.noaa.gov/Run.htm

Live online scanner feeds for fire, cops, CDF, air attack

http://www.live365.com/stations/kb6jag

FYI, this one gives pop ups if you use it.

No pop ups on this feed

http://www.police-scanner.info/livescan.htm

Another live scanner feed.

Click on Big Bear Feed

http://www.compucations.com/nuke/html/modules.php?name=LiveScanners

another live feed for socal, Verdugo Fire Communications Center

http://verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us/radio.html

Simi Valley fire scanner

http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=scanner&numresult=100&x=34&y=9

http://209.153.152.2:8888 lots of scanner chatter in Ventura county

CHP Dispatch

http://cad.chp.ca.gov/

CDF AIR CHANNELS

Red - 151.220 - Air to ground units Blue - 151.280 - Air to air Green - 151.295 - Air to air Yellow - 151.310 - Air to air Victor - 122.925 AM - Air to air for contract helicopters

List of channels for SoCal

http://www.qsl.net/ke6alv/

Get a copy of Police call for when you're mobile.

http://www.policecall.com/

San Bernardino National Forest

171.475 mhz and 172.225

123.9750 National Air Tanker Base Freq. 135.9750 Air ops 151.2200 CDF Red Air to Ground 151.2650 CDF Region 151.3100 CDF Air Tactics 6 151.3550 CDF Command Net 1 154.2650 OES White Fire 2 154.2800 OES White Fire 1 154.2950 OES White Fire 3 164.1250 Fire Camp Service Net 166.6125 "Command" Fontana area 166.8500 Air attack 167.9500 BLM Air to Ground 168.0500 NIFC Tac 1 168.0750 NIFC Tac 3 168.200 NIFC Tac 2 (Crew Net) 168.2500 BLM? "Command" 168.4000 BLM "Command" 168.6000 NIFC Tac 3 168.6250 Air Guard 169.1250 Calif. Fire Travel Net 169.0625 vehicle mechanics? 170.0000 Air to Ground Region 5 173.9125 Region 5 Tac 4 173.9625 Region 5 Tac 5 173.9875 Region 5 Tac 6 415.5500 National Air channel

HAM

145.220

Los Angeles Area

KNBC: http://www.nbc4.tv

KABC: http://www.abc7.com

KCBS: http://www.cbs2.com

KTTV: http://www.fox11la.com

KCAL: http://www.kcal.com

Good list of SoCal television stations and links to their websites:

http://newslink.org/catele.html

San Diego

http://nbcsandiego.feedroom.com/?fr_story=af0368e01c0323615f2e6f30970885b317fe905c

http://www.kogo.com/streaming.html

List of online TV and Newspapers in Ca.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/np/ca.htm

2 posted on 10/27/2003 9:18 PM PST by spectr17


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; socalfires; wildfire
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To: Oorang
Ack! It figures. ABC and Sierra Club. Two peas in one groovy organic pod.

Hopefully, a pod infested with insects which they will refuse to eradicate.

2,501 posted on 10/29/2003 8:13:00 PM PST by meyer
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To: ohioWfan
Point loma, PLNC? The coast here is fine, infact we had a westerly wind today so the smoke was gone but we did have to fog.
2,502 posted on 10/29/2003 8:13:23 PM PST by Pylon
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To: ohioWfan
I5 is open from L.A. to S.D (don't know about when it gets close to San Diego though). I think it was closed earlier today up near the Stevenson Ranch fire, near Magic Mountain, north of L.A., for several miles. They were giving detours on the radio. It probably reopened once they got the fire more under control.
2,503 posted on 10/29/2003 8:13:50 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: All

Fire Battalion Chief Alan Biagi looks out over a vista and a huge plume of smoke on the next ridge in Running Springs, Calif., in the San Bernardino Mountains, Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The San Bernardino range east of Los Angeles and the mountains of eastern San Diego County were the focal points in the long arc of wildfires that officials said Wednesday had roared across more than 608,000 acres --about 950 square miles, nearly the area of Rhode Island.(AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

2,504 posted on 10/29/2003 8:14:48 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Oorang
There is more to that mess...USFS fire fighters got going the wrong way and went 180 degrees away from a fire in Oregon last summer. Finally they got turned around and got to the area of the fire.
In the meantime, the local ranchers were doing everything they could to help the endangered buildings on ranches. When the USFS arrived, the ranchers were hosing down the roof on a ranch house with the ranchers water. The ff had a hissy fit that such actions were being taken WITHOUT their permission and the ranchers told them this was the house of a widowed 80 year old woman. They apparently told the ff what they could do with their belated input. This attitude of the employees of the USFS, IMO, comes from the enviros infiltrating into these jobs, and making their own decisions regardless of common sense and what needs to be done to save the house of an 80 y/o woman.
2,505 posted on 10/29/2003 8:16:06 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Mrs.Liberty
there is a UCLA conference center in Lake Arrowhead... >>>>on its way to UCLA area...
2,506 posted on 10/29/2003 8:16:12 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: All

Wed Oct 29, 3:24 PM ET Fire vehicles rush out of the way of a fast moving fire near Running Springs, Calif., Wednesday, Oct. 29, 2003. The hot Santa Ana wind that has been driving California's most destructive wildfires on record was giving way to cooler, more humid conditions Wednesday, but that did little to tame the blazing tide as crews fought to save more homes. (AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

2,507 posted on 10/29/2003 8:17:10 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Im sorry but is that weekend at bernies cal fire style

god love them guys i do thanks great pic
2,508 posted on 10/29/2003 8:17:50 PM PST by al baby (Ice cream does not have bones)
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To: lainie

Please don't let Magic Mountain burn!

2,509 posted on 10/29/2003 8:18:03 PM PST by mrobison (We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams.)
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To: meyer
re: hydrant problem -- ok. I was wondering if perhaps these communities had a chronic long-term water issue but it doesn't sound like it.
2,510 posted on 10/29/2003 8:18:53 PM PST by lainie
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To: Yaelle
This fire was never out of control....the county lit back fires in areas to clear brush they wouldnt be allowed to do it normal circumstances....I sure hope the media cupcakes dont cover it all tomorrow too. I loved Micah Hamilton running from the controlled burn.


>>>>It probably reopened once they got the fire more under control
2,511 posted on 10/29/2003 8:19:00 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Fitzcarraldo
wow..that is quite a shot...cars going the wrong way down the freeway and onto the entrance ramp of the freeway. Amazing. Terrifying.
2,512 posted on 10/29/2003 8:19:24 PM PST by Mrs.Liberty ("Oh people, this is freedom! "...Liberated Iraqi man, 09 APR 2003)
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To: PhiKapMom
Mary's Feed & Tack (name) in San Diego area is co-ordinating feed and supplies for large/small farm animals.
Check with horsemen's clubs, 4-H, FFA, etc. Maybe even the local Ag Commissioner for your county.
2,513 posted on 10/29/2003 8:19:41 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: null and void
Been there, done that...

If you mean you've had a child comfort you, I've been there, too. It was one of the simplest, sweetest, most innocent experiences I've ever had. My niece. Helped me cry.

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2,514 posted on 10/29/2003 8:19:46 PM PST by viaveritasvita ("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
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To: ohioWfan
I-5 is clear. Will they visit Pt Loma Nazarene? That is quite a campus.
2,515 posted on 10/29/2003 8:20:57 PM PST by Mrs.Liberty ("Oh people, this is freedom! "...Liberated Iraqi man, 09 APR 2003)
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To: lainie
Naw, they're just pumping an extraordinary amount of water in several areas. The system probably can't handle that much water flow.

anyway, its Eastern time here and I've got to be at a meeting tomorrow morning. G'night, all.

Californians, stay safe!

2,516 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:19 PM PST by meyer
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To: viaveritasvita
Yep
2,517 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:21 PM PST by null and void
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To: meyer
Is the hydrant problem a new development tonight?
According to some of the posts overnight on rimoftheworld.net, the pumps that supplied East Lake Arrowhead with water pressure failed, the hydrants went dry, and the FFs ran out of water. They were told to use hoses to fill 500 gallon fire trucks.... a little later they were ordered out.




>>>If I recall correctly, there have been sporadic water-pressure problems in various areas throughout the last couple of days. There have been water conservation requests in some areas, probably to help prevent low pressure at the hydrant. I suspect that there are many wooded areas that are too remote for hydrants as well.


2,518 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:22 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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Maybe a repost but first time I got to read about it.

(10-29-2003) - One Northern California firefighter was killed fighting the massive Cedar Fire in the East County back country Wednesday and another was seriously injured but expected to recover, officials said.

The victims were felled about 2:15 p.m. as they battled flames near Wynola, just west of the historic mining town of Julian, which firefighters have vowed to save.

Steve Rucker, 38, a Novato Fire Protection District firefighter/paramedic was killed, a district spokesperson said. Captain Doug McDonald was burned over 18 percent of his body, is hospitalized in critical condition at a San Diego burn center and is expected to recover, the spokesperson said.

Engineer Shawn Kreps and firefighter/paramedic Barrett Smith received minor burns and were treated and released, the spokesperson said.

"I don't have to tell you this is the largest fire in the history of the state of California, probably the biggest disaster that we've ever had," Sheriff Bill Kolender said. "I toured the area, and I just want you to know it is devastating and it is almost hard to believe as to what you're seeing.

The destruction of homes and property is just unbelievable."

At least 15 other people were known dead as a result of the firestorms that consumed at least 350,000 acres and destroyed more 1,500 homes during a four-day rampage in San Diego County, authorities said Wednesday.

Three of the dead were identified as Galen Blacklidge, 50, of Moreno; Nancy Morphew, 51, and Ashleigh Roach, 16, both of Valley Center. All three died near their homes trying to escape the flames, according to the medical examiner's office.

Others remained unidentified, including a body found today near a home on Vista Viejas Road in Alpine.

The 250,000-acre Cedar Fire threatened to bring destruction to downtown Julian.

"It still has not moved into Julian proper," said California Department of Forestry Chief Rick Henson. "We are trying the best we can to make a stand on that. We have over 100 fire engines up there right now trying to make sure it does not move into the historic town of Julian, and we'll do everything we can to make sure that does not happen."

The Cedar Fire wiped out most of the hamlet of Cuyamaca yesterday and also destroyed at least 200 structures south of Julian, Kolender said.

Today's weather changed completely from what it was two days ago, with the wind blowing in the opposite direction, Henson said.

The National Weather Service issued a fire-weather watch for San Diego County, officials said.

Southwest winds of 25 mph -- with gusts of up to 40 mph -- are expected, officials said.

Greg Cox, chairman of the county Board of Supervisors, said preliminary damage estimates were about $460 million, and would go higher.

The Cedar Fire, the largest of Southern California's firestorms, prompted mandatory evacuations last night for Julian, Laguna, Pine Hills, Pine Valley, Wynola, Guatay, Palomar Mountain and Descanso.

This afternoon, sheriff's officials notified residents of Ramona and San Diego Country Estates that the Paradise Fire -- which started in Valley Center -- was burning north of their location and could develop into a threat.

The Paradise Fire blackened 50,000 acres, destroyed 117 homes, and was 20 percent contained, authorities said.

"It still has not moved onto Palomar Mountain, and our efforts there are exactly the same as Julian," Henson said. "We want to keep it off the Palomar Mountain at all costs."

The Cedar Fire destroyed at least 1,416 homes, including 349 in the city of San Diego, and 40 in Poway, Cox said.

A disaster relief center to aid those who lost homes opened Wednesday in Scripps Ranch.

San Diego Mayor Dick Murphy said the relief center was available to anybody in San Diego County until more centers are opened up.

Cox said three other disaster assistance centers would be set up in Alpine, Valley Center and Ramona. The center in Alpine will be open by Saturday, Cox said.

Wednesday afternoon in Riverside, Gov. Gray Davis signed an executive order which will relieve local governments who have exhausted their financial resources, of the burden to pay for 25 percent of the cost of fighting the fires.

"Local taxpayers are already sufficiently overburdened," the governor said. "This fire is adding to their woes and the state has historically done this since 1988."

At the same news conference, Office of Emergency Services Director Dallas Jones defended the state's response to the wildfires in San Diego.

"This has been one of the quickest responses to any disaster that California has ever faced," Jones said. "Not only were we very quick to react to the initial fires, but also the requests into San Diego.

"Now, I understand because of the losses suffered down there, there are very high feelings," Jones said. "And that's clear in any fire. We've been through the Malibu, Oakland Hills, all kinds of fires. But I think it's disingenuous for some people to be making charges that the fire services in California haven't been very proactive."

Kolender urged residents to exercise patience and not return to their homes until authorities give them the all clear.

He called the blaze the "greatest fire tragedy in the history of this county."

"Our hearts go out to those who have lost their loved ones, their homes, and in some cases, both," Kolender said.

Looting had been reported in Harbison Canyon, Dehesa and unincorporated areas near El Cajon, but no arrests were made, he said.

Some 3,330 firefighting personnel had the Cedar Fire about 20 percent contained, authorities said.

Firefighters believe the blaze could be contained by next Wednesday, with full control estimated on Nov. 16th, CDF spokeswoman Donna Adams said.

The Otay Fire, burning along the U.S.-Mexico border, charred more than 45,000 acres in the South Bay, according to the CDF. That fire was fully contained Wednesday, Lowes said.

A wildfire that started last week on Camp Pendleton in the North County was fully contained Tuesday.

Air quality was back in the "good to moderate" range for much of San Diego County, but public schools will remain closed for the rest of the week, officials said.

San Diego Gas & Electric officials said 30,000 customers were still without power. Power officials were calling affected customers or hanging notices on their doors to let them know when their electricity might be restored.

"San Diego County has a big heart," Kolender said. "We're going to get through this. And we are in fact making progress."

2,519 posted on 10/29/2003 8:22:22 PM PST by Pylon
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To: ridesthemiles
Thanks for posting that information!
2,520 posted on 10/29/2003 8:22:47 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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