Chechens ready to assist Azeris against Armenians in Karabakh front

yerkir.am ^ | October 17, 2003 | yerkir.am

[Destro]

October 17, 2003

Chechens ready to assist Azeris in Karabakh front

If the situation on the Karabakh border escalates, the Chechens will be fighting against Armenians, Maribek Tamarov, a Chechen human rights activist currently residing in Baku told the Baku-based newspaper Echo.

"I know from the mood of Chechens that in case of a confrontation, the Chechens would be on the front line for the Azerbaijani independence fight," Tamarov was quoted as saying.

He also said he regretted that the Azerbaijani authorities yielded before Russia's pressure, and did not allow representatives of Chechens to take part in a Council of Europe sponsored seminar held in Baku on October 6 to 11. "You cannot trust the Russian delegation.

Rushailo says one thing, and Putin discusses other things with the Armenians," he added, referring to the statement by Rushailo, Secretary of Russia's Security Council, who, during his recent visit to Baku, discussed with the Azerbaijani authorities the issue of banning the Chechen organizations in Azerbaijan.

In 1993-1994, along with Afghanis, many Chechens were fighting against the Karabakh forces with some of them captured by the Armenians. In his 1995 TV interview to a Russian TV channel, field commander Shamil Basayev had confessed that the defeat at Martakert in Karabakh was his only defeat.

[Destro]

The renewed jihad did not begin on 09/11/01....

[neverdem]

Christians to Dhimitude submission is not a viable option. How is that communicated without doubt?

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

Armenia is the oldest Christian Country.

Mountainous Karabakh is on the border of Armenia and
most of the people are Armenian Christians.

[rmlew]

With all due respect, Armenia invaded Azerbaijan, not the other way around.
Nagorno-Karabakh was mixed and seperated from Armenia by an Azeri zone. All of that was seized and the Azeris expelled.
For the record, the Azeris never made it a religious issue. Jews and Christians are treated well in Azerbaijan. It is an national fight between Azeris and Armenians over contested land.
The Azeri government will not let the Chechens in. Unfortunately, the regime is unstable. Haydar Aliyev, the former president for life, stepped down. His son was made Prime Minister and just won an election that operated under the dictum "it doesn't matter who gets the most votes, only who counts them."
The threat of civil war or coup is real. Islamists may work their way in that vacuum.

[Destro]

The Azeris began a jihad against the Armenians in Baku while the USSR was still a nation in 1990. They Armenians were not about to let the Azeris kill them again.

[oilfieldtrash]

You need to take a walk down memory lane when you say Christians and Jews are treated well in Baku.

Dont you remember the mass expulsions and pograms against Armenians in Baku in 1990 when the USSR dissolved? Armenian babies thrown from high story buildings(alleged), and the rounding up of and transporting out of Armenians with a few possessions and their lives. Ask Gary Kasparov's family who were Jewish/Armenian and from Baku. They arent there now.

[A. Pole]

With all due respect, Armenia invaded Azerbaijan, not the other way around.

This Armenian region in question was included within the borders of Azerbaijan by the Bolsheviks.

And Armenia was much larger before Islam came into the area, what you see are the meager remains. Do you want all Armenian Christians to be gone?

[RusIvan]

For the record, the Azeris never made it a religious issue. ==

Not exactly. All problem between Armenians and Azeris started after armenian porgoms in Baku(the capital of Azeris) and Sumgait in 1988.

http://www.armenians.com/Genocide/Sumgait/

[Angelus Errare]

I thought Armenia and Azerbaijan is at peace?

Also, aren't the ruling Azeris Shi'ites?

[Destro]

I thought Armenia and Azerbaijan is at peace?

Of course they are-that is the natural result when Christians defeat Muslims. The Azeris during the Clinton years tried to use oil to blackmail the West (scum that we are) to back their side. But the problem for the Shi'ites was that as much as Americans wanted to back them for the love of oil and of Turkey the American Armenians are a large wealthy voting block that make our politicians shake in their boots. If not for that reason, America would have backed the Azeris over the Armenians because American leaders will look the other way while Christians are slaughtered, no problem.

See the love heaped upon the Chechens (included is a now penitent Bush).

[rmlew]

This was not a religious issue. The attack on Armenians in Baku occured after the Mountainous Karabakh Autonomous Region (Nagorno Karabakh) illegally seceded. Morover, the pogroms of February 27th in Baku and Sumgait were preceeded but the murder of over 600 people in the Azeri Karaback city of Khojali.
I don't excuse any of the violence. However the Soviet Army helped the Armenian forces. The Azeris responded in both appropriate and inappropriate ways.

[rmlew]

The issue should have been negotiated. Instead, the regional government illegally seceded and the Armenians, supported by the Soviets, invaded.

[rmlew]

Again, you are mixing the national conflict with a religious one.
Armenians were mistreated, but after Azeris were mistreated. I am excusing none of it.

I know many Azeri Jews and none have omplained. Those that left did so for better opportunities.

[A. Pole]

I know many Azeri Jews and none have complained. Those that left did so for better opportunities.

Maybe Armenians want to preserve the Armenian land that still remains? This was before Turkish/Azeri invasions:

And Armenians who are still there have uninterrupted title to the land for thousands of years.

[Destro]

Khojaly took place in February 1990- a full month and a half AFTER The Azeris started to kill Armenians. Sorry if the Armenians did not wait for the Azeris to kill them first. But first blood went to the Azeri's and the Azeri dead are called Shaheen-martyers-a term applied to jihad fighters. Baku's Martyrs' Lane -- or Shahidlar Hiyabani, as it is known in Azeri. Martyers don't die for land but for Holy War.

[rmlew]

As I said, negotiations would have been better. Lines along ethnic lines would have been nice. Isntead, the Karabakh Armenians seceded forcing the 23% of Karabakhi Azeris out.
The Soviets played the game well, using the NK Armenians to destabilize the area and the Armenians fell for it. The Russians did the same thing with the Ossetians/Alans in Georgia.

[rmlew]

I had the Khojalu date wrong. However the attacks in Baku ocured after the Armenian Karabakhis seceeded. http://www.karabakh.org/?id=3001&item=1

But first blood went to the Azeri's and the Azeri dead are called Shaheen-martyers-a term applied to jihad fighters
Both sides say the other started killing first. I have no idea who is correct.
Martyrs die for many reasons. There are martyrs to nations as well. Don't tell me that Armenians do not have their own martyrs.

[RusIvan]

The Soviets played the game well, using the NK Armenians to destabilize the area and the Armenians fell for it. The Russians did the same thing with the Ossetians/Alans in Georgia.===

Just opposite thing happened.
When Soviet grip on this region weakened THEN all thier very old ethnical tensions reappear themselves.
Russian is nothing to do with that. They had their own problems at that time big deal.

[eleni121]

And I also know Jewish refugees from Azerbaijan. They have made it perfectly clear that the Azeri Muslims made it impossible to live in peace. They smashed down their doors in the middle of the night and terrorized endlessly.

[eleni121]

Don't tell me that Armenians do not have their own martyrs.

Yeah...Armenians were truly martyred for their faith. By Muslims.

Muslims OTOH commit terrorism AKA murdering innocent people - using their despicable bodies.

Big difference.