I've not read through your post yet, dixiegrrl, but Felos announced today that Terri was approved for Medicaid .. would that be State or Federal? Seems to me if it's Federal, she comes under the protection of FEDERAL law - who are our FReeper attorneys? The appeals were sent back from Federal to State because it was a STATE matter.

1,781 posted on 10/23/2003 5:12:50 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)

Just found this at
http://www.dredf.org/assistedsuicide.html

"...if someone has a chronic illness that is not terminal, that individual is not eligible for assisted suicide under any proposal in the U.S., nor under the Oregon Death with Dignity Act (Oregon is the only state where assisted suicide is legal). Furthermore, any individual whose illness has brought about depression that affects the individual’s judgment is also ineligible, according to every U.S. proposal as well as Oregon’s law."

I'm wondering if---assuming (as we don't) that Terri DID make some statement to MS about right to die---it should be considered a remark made by a person suffering depression (as over the demise of her grandmother), and therefore a remark of less weight.

Site's main page is http://www.dredf.org/ "(DREDF) is a national law and policy center dedicated to protecting and advancing the civil rights of people with disabilities through legislation, litigation, advocacy, technical assistance, and education and training of attorneys, advocates, persons with disabilities, and parents of children with disabilities."

Search of their site found nothing for "Schiavo."

1,782 posted on 10/23/2003 5:15:19 PM PDT by Graymatter

To: PleaseNoMore

"Why the nurse didn't come forward or report this, I don't know. Fear maybe?"

Well, according to the one affadavit, the nursing staff were threatened with loss of their jobs if they challenged. For a nurse, that would be a bad thing to have on your record.

1,783 posted on 10/23/2003 5:15:45 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

but there just needs to be a net like this where this a disagreement bteween the spouse and the parents (like an assigned guardian and governor's stay)

that's what I mean - a law (a net) to prevent a situation like this where there are such opposing sides and the loved one is not able to speak for themselves. I think it's horrible that he prevents the family from seeing her too - the state should step in and allow for visits by her parents and siblings too - the marriage license this guy bought shouldn't let him "own" her life - esp since he want to kill her.

Still wondering, does anyone know how long they were married before she became injured?

1,784 posted on 10/23/2003 5:15:46 PM PDT by SunnyUsa (the laws need to be changed to protect the innocent - and preserve & respect life!)

To: sweetliberty

I would say draw up a letter and include excerpts from his book and offer your thoughts. Of course, you would have to word it carefully enough that YOU not sound like the whackjob. Send it to all the regulars on the major cable news and talk radio programs.

Working on it now. Thank you so much for all you're doing and for your superb letters!

1,785 posted on 10/23/2003 5:18:56 PM PDT by lonevoice

I posted this on another thread. Didn't see it posted here...good info on Terri's condition...

Father: Brain-damaged daughter responsive

Thursday, October 23, 2003 Posted: 6:25 PM EDT (2225 GMT)

PINELLAS PARK, Florida (CNN) -- The father who has fought for more than five years to keep his brain-damaged daughter alive said when he visited her Thursday, she turned down his kisses, saying, "Uh-uh."

"I was in front of her and I'm kissing her on the cheek, and she doesn't like that," said a smiling Bob Schindler after visiting his 39-year-old daughter Terri Schiavo.

He said he then asked, "'Do you want me to kiss you again?' She goes, 'Uh-uh. Uh-uh.' That's what I got from her."

Terri Schiavo's brain was damaged in 1990 when she collapsed from heart failure, the result of doctors' misdiagnosis. She recovered from the heart attack, but oxygen was cut off to her brain, leaving her in what doctors call a "persistent vegetative state."

Eight years later, her husband and legal guardian, Michael Schiavo, filed a court petition to remove his wife's feeding tube as he claims his wife wanted, according to the St. Petersburg Times. The woman did not have a will.

Terri Schiavo's family fought the move, maintaining that their daughter responds to them and should be kept alive with a feeding tube.

Schindler said Wednesday his daughter is "alert, active, a live human being" and said videotapes that showed her condition moved Florida Gov. Jeb Bush to act on her behalf.

Michael Schiavo claims Terri did not want to be kept alive artificially. Doctors said last week she would have died within two weeks without the feeding tube.

A court seemingly ended the five-year legal battle when it ordered the tube removed last week. But the state legislature quickly passed a law giving the governor the right to intervene, which he did Tuesday. The feeding tube was reinserted Wednesday.

Michael Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, said the law allowing Bush to order her feeding tube reinserted is unconstitutional. His attorneys asked a circuit court judge in Pinellas County Tuesday to grant an emergency injunction preventing the re-feeding of his wife.

The judge rejected the request, but gave attorneys five days to file paperwork for a permanent injunction.

"Each of us -- and the Florida Supreme Court has said this -- has a right to control our own body," Felos said. "We have a fundamental right to make our own medical treatment choices, and the state doesn't have a right to override our wishes."

Michael Schiavo has not allowed the family to see Terri Schiavo's medical reports, but Wednesday he allowed them to visit her.

Schindler said when he saw his daughter Wednesday night she looked withdrawn, but "today it's just the opposite."

An ambulance returned Terri Schiavo to hospice care in Pinellas Park, Florida on Wednesday evening.

An ambulance returned Terri Schiavo to hospice care in Florida on Wednesday evening.

He said his daughter looked a little weak from not having food for a week, but "other than that, she really looks good, I mean, too good.

"She looks like she did before this incident with the tube," he said, adding that the family is trying to get access to medical reports on her current condition.

Asked if the husband may finally give in to the family's demands and just walk away from the entire case, Schindler said he was unaware of any such possibility, but would definitely welcome it.

"Michael Schiavo is not our primary concern," the father said. "It's to see her back to the condition she should be in."

Independent guardian to be appointed

A Pinellas County Circuit Court judge this week ordered lawyers for both sides to agree within five days on an independent guardian for Terri, as required under the law signed by the governor.

The new guardian would become Terri Schiavo's advocate in legal proceedings, but Michael Schiavo would remain the decision-maker.

If an agreement cannot be reached, the judge said he will appoint Dr. Jay Wolfson, a professor of health and law at Stetson University, as the guardian. Wolfson also works for the College of Public Health at Florida State University and the College of Medicine at the University of South Florida.

Terri Schiavo

Terri Schiavo's parents have accused their son-in-law of selfish motivations. Michael Schiavo -- who has a girlfriend with whom he has a child -- won $1.2 million in a malpractice case against his wife's gynecologist and another $250,000 in a settlement with her general practitioner. Most of that money was to go toward her treatment.

In addition, he received $300,000 for pain and suffering and loss of consortium.

Michael Schiavo has declined to comment on whether there is an outstanding life insurance policy on his wife.

CNN correspondent John Zarrella contributed to this report.http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/23/coma.woman/

1,786 posted on 10/23/2003 5:20:08 PM PDT by Gelato

I guess it is federal. I found this when I typed in medicaid on yahoo. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is a Federal agency within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Programs for which CMS is responsible include Medicare, Medicaid, State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), HIPAA, and CLIA. To learn more about CMS, visit About CMS.

1,787 posted on 10/23/2003 5:20:49 PM PDT by dixiegrrl

Have we focused only on Florida, the media and the feds with our email/fax/phone call campaign? Have we hit our own representatives, governors and senators with this? Perhaps this would be a good thing. I mean, it isn't like Florida is the only place that is the only state where this could happen. Perhaps if we could stir some interest at state level as concerned citizens for what could happen in our own states, then they might take steps to bring some pressure to bear on what happens in Florida. We could maybe use this opportunity to put the courts in our own states on notice as well.

1,788 posted on 10/23/2003 5:23:54 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

To: Graymatter; phenn

1,789 posted on 10/23/2003 5:26:18 PM PDT by sarasmom (Thank you, everyone who prayed for Terri Schiavo. Keep praying, please !)

I sent this e-mail. They may trash it but I figured the seniors are usually very caring and that if they knew they might be at a risk too them maybe AARP could flex some muscle for Terri.

AARP

I need to ask if you will look into the Terri Schiavo case in Florida. I realize she is not old enough to be a member of this organization yet but her parents are and there are a lot of members that do live in Florida and other states, who will unfortunately reside in nursing homes as they become disabled and age. Terri and her family need help. She, the disabled, and the elderly have a right to life. Your assistance is appreciated

1,790 posted on 10/23/2003 5:27:10 PM PDT by CindyDawg

If you're link savvy, Floriduh Voter's post #1557 this thread has Felos' press conference. Could you link, or bring the post over here for study? Thanks ...

1,791 posted on 10/23/2003 5:28:06 PM PDT by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)

To: Graymatter; phenn

1,792 posted on 10/23/2003 5:28:51 PM PDT by sarasmom (Thank you, everyone who prayed for Terri Schiavo. Keep praying, please !)

To: sweetliberty

I wish someone would explain to me why Terri can be starved to death when assisted suicide is not legal.
MS is predicating his actions on a claim that this is Terri's choice. That makes it a suicide they're assisting, no?

1,793 posted on 10/23/2003 5:29:35 PM PDT by Graymatter

To: Gelato; viaveritasvita; Budge; Calpernia; Pegita; Ladysmith; Babalu; cyn; floriduh voter; pc93; ...

"but Michael Schiavo would remain the decision-maker."

THAT is the fly in the ointment that needs to be disposed of!

Gelato, thanks so much for posting this WONDERFUL news. It renews my hope. Terri is a fighter and God is good. He answers prayer.

1,794 posted on 10/23/2003 5:30:17 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

Who makes up your supreme court?

1,795 posted on 10/23/2003 5:33:43 PM PDT by CindyDawg

Here is post #1557
BAY NEWS 9 ATTY FELOS HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCE NOW. Oops. Attorney Felos said "Mr. Schiavo as Terri's spouse wants to make sure that he follows his wishes." I mean "her wishes."

Hubby is going to fight Terri's Law as unconstitutional. There is 65K left. Terri's treating doctor at present is: Dr. Stanton Trikotas (Greek). Terri is in Medicaid because a home is a marital asset allowed.

72% in AOL disagreed with Gov. Bush in a poll. Felos says Americans agree with husband. Gov. putting best spin on this. Attorney Chamberlain approved Terri's Medicaid Application and she qualified. Someone asked him about MS' big car and fancy house. Felos said "not affluent lifestyle."

Felos has limited resources and is running out of time. Mad that Governor Bush took Terri out of her death bed and he's been getting positive, supportive emails that support what Felos is doing. Michael feels so glad that the public is on his side.

They want to get Terri's law declared unconstitutional so they can get back TO THE DEATH PROCESS. After Terri is dead, they will look at all of the events to decide who Felos will sue (ie doctors for malpractice). No comment re: video of Terri acting very much alive. Admitted that Terri looks good today, color good. Said her cerebral cortex is gone. She can't think.

Finally, Felos just stated on Bay News 9 that the reason the family hasn't gotten any medical information is because they didn't ask for it and finally, he said the chance that both sides would agree on a guardian are "remote".

He said that he sposes the Court appointed guardian might be okay, is a lawyer and has medical background.

Transcribed by Floriduh Voter 10-23-03 3:20 pm

I have am only posting this here. Please pass along this breaking news from Felos' law office.

1,557 posted on 10/23/2003 12:33 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com & press Releases at terrisfight.org)
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1,796 posted on 10/23/2003 5:33:55 PM PDT by dixiegrrl

To: sweetliberty

You're welcome! I think we should send this article to other media outlets. They should all be reporting that Terri is responsive!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/23/coma.woman/

1,797 posted on 10/23/2003 5:35:31 PM PDT by Gelato

"MS is predicating his actions on a claim that this is Terri's choice"

Pretty d****d flimsy argument if you ask me. He has a sudden recollection of her "wishes" fully 8 years after the incident and gets one of his family members to corroborate his story. Would it hold up if this were a murder trial. NO! It would be hearsay. But I guess it would be different because then we would be protecting a criminal's right to life. The innocent are given much stiffer penalties on a lot less.

1,798 posted on 10/23/2003 5:35:39 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

Yall think we can put a list of e-mails and phone numbers together and post it , say, every 100 posts on all the Terri and related threads? We could add to it as needed.

1,799 posted on 10/23/2003 5:36:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg

To: viaveritasvita; Budge; Calpernia; Pegita; Ladysmith; Babalu; cyn; floriduh voter; pc93

That was supposed to be a ping to post #1786.

1,800 posted on 10/23/2003 5:37:41 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")

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