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To: wizardoz
Actually, we've been looking at the videos of her looking around, making eye contact, smiling... but don't let that affect your judgement any. Just listen to the nice newscaster.

Funny, all the medical experts in this field have seen the same videos, examined her and concluded that she is in a permanent vegetive state with no hope of recovery.

But don't let the medical experts affect your judgement.

You know better don't you.

451 posted on 10/21/2003 7:30:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
concluded that she is in a permanent vegetive state

Actually I heard on the radio (sorry can't remember if it was the Rush sub, Glen Beck or Sean Hannity) that "persistent vegetative state" was coined by the judiciary, not the medical field. I think we need to get the judges out of medicine, probably could prune some doctors from the field as well.

467 posted on 10/21/2003 7:34:13 PM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: Jorge
Funny, all the medical experts in this field have seen the same videos, examined her and concluded that she is in a permanent vegetive state with no hope of recovery.

Whom do you believe -- the rigged "experts," or your own lying eyes?

473 posted on 10/21/2003 7:35:19 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Jorge
all the medical experts in this field

All of them? Are you sure you want to stand by that?

It has been pinted out to you ad nausiam that :

1) Terris exhibits recognition and responds to events and communication to her. If you really watched the video with an open mind, you cannot help but see that.

2)Terri did not write a living will. Her husband indicated initially he would help and be a part of her rehabilitation...then when the money came in by the hundreds of thosuands, he changed his mind, stopped spending the money on her rehab and much later remembered that she wanted to die...which would leave him a lot of money.

3)When in doubt, if you want to retain your morality...err on the side of life.

I hope you'll open your heart and mind a little and consider these things.

She has parents who love her. WHo want nothing more than to care for her, give her the rehab she needs and to help her.

Have you ever had a child? Do you know how it is to love your own child?

If you did, and if you thought there was any chance for her recovery (and they do) then you would perhaps begin to understand.

478 posted on 10/21/2003 7:37:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jorge
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33875
480 posted on 10/21/2003 7:38:41 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Jorge
Funny, all the medical experts in this field HAVE NOT agreed. Why do you keep denying the truth?
490 posted on 10/21/2003 7:40:51 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: Jorge
If she's really "vegetative" and unaware of her surroundings or existence, then what possible harm is there in letting her parents take over her care? She requires feeding only -- it's not like she requires massively expensive machines and such. Her parents and siblings want to try therapy, and there's more than enough money in her medical trust fund to pay for her feeding and some therapy for the rest of her life. And she has two parents and two siblings all committed to trying to help her. Even if they are deluding themselves about her prospects, what's the harm in letting them try? Either she's completely vegetative and not able to suffer through awareness of her condition, or she's not completely vegetative and might improve with therapy.
499 posted on 10/21/2003 7:42:46 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Jorge
Funny, all the medical experts in this field have seen the same videos,

Oh really? ALL of them?

539 posted on 10/21/2003 7:57:00 PM PDT by wizardoz (Palestinians are just dynamite!)
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To: Jorge
If they now conclude that she is in a permanent vegative state then they comitted perjury because michael's lawyer[s] paraded rehabilitative specialists after rehabilitative specialists and doctors on the witness stand during his malpractice lawsuit and they all testified under oath that she was rehabilitatable.

If you want to defend a bunckh of murderers, at least have the decency to do it on another thread.
549 posted on 10/21/2003 7:59:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: Jorge
Funny, all the medical experts in this field have seen the same videos, examined her and concluded that she is in a permanent vegetive state with no hope of recovery.

Funny, that only the medical "experts" provided by Schiavo/Felos were recognized. The medical reports provided by Pat Anderson were not.

594 posted on 10/21/2003 8:10:06 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Jorge
But don't let the medical experts affect your judgement.

You know better, don't ya?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey Jorge, Let me tell you a story.

The rest of you who have heard my daughters story, go ahead and read on to the next post.. Jorge and I have some things to discuss about the "medical knowledge" of doctors.

My daughter, at 7 months in utero, was diagnosed with Pompes Disease, now, assuming you dont know anything about this disease, it is a torturous vile disease, death is the result. They told me that my daughter would die within 2 weeks in utero, and that I should "merficully" End her life thru an abortion. I chose to get a second opinion. That doctor told me that my daughter did not have this disease, but did not know what she had, he also agreed that her life would end before she was born and that I should not do anything "Extra Ordinary" to try to preserve this fetus. I disagreed and did my own research. I requested to be put on Digoxin, the only heart medication that passed thru the placenta. Emmas heart, at this point, was 75% of her chest cavity. It was a long shot, but it was a still a shot. My daughter was in the last stages of heart failure and I was not willing to write her off just yet. I spent the rest of my pregancy in the hospital, on my side, 4 hours away from my family (my second opinion was in a different city). My daughter was born via Emergency C~section, which again was discouraged by my doctors, because I was putting myself thru an "uneeded operation" for a child who would die during or shortly after birth. I again disagreed and off to surgery we went. While in surgery, a nurse asked me to sign DNR papers, again, i refused. My daughter was born, granted she only whimpered, but she was alive. They asked me, while they were during CPR on her whether or not I wanted to put her on life support, i had just told them that I would not sign DNR papers, so I thought i had made myself very clear. I yelled at the top of my lungs "YES, for the last time I want my child to live".

During the next 15 days, my daughter was on an ocsillator (high frequency vent, breathing over 200 breaths a minute mechanically). I was told she would die every day, was instructed by doctors daily that i should turn the machines off, that I should let her die peacefully, but you see, I knew my daughter, I knew her better than anyone else. I knew that this little girl had a fight in her that amazed me, and until she gave me the permission to let her die, I would fight for her to live. In those two weeks, I was told my daughter had over 15 different diseases or syndromes, all of which were fatal and WRONG. Every day I woke up I knew that another test result would prove these "medical professionals" wrong.

After 15 days of sitting in a level 3 NICU, the doctors finally came to me and said "Mrs.George, we dont think your daughter is going to die, we need to transport her to another fascility"... my response was "Ya think? Ive been telling you this for over 2 weeks." Emma was transported to ACH in St. Petersburg Florida where she was immediately listed for transplant. We were told that the average wait for transplant for Emmas size and blood type was 2 weeks, but that they did not feel that she would make it that long. She lasted 4 months waiting for her new heart. She suffered a level 3 heartblock, heart rate was in the 20s, after having her heart shocked she opened her eyes and looked around as if to say "why the heck are you shocking me with that thing?" and started playing with her broviac line.

My daughter, who was condemned to death 2 months before her birth, waited 4.5 months on life support for a donor heart, and now is a beautiful little two year old who happens to be fed by a G~tube 21.5 hours a day.

Let me tell you about the "medical professionals". If I had listened to them, my daughter would have died long long ago. Do I trust their judgement, you bet your arse I do, Do I blindly hand my child over to them, not in a million years. They are not God, they make mistakes. In My daughters 2 years of life, I can count atleast 25 doctors who got it wrong.

Blind faith is not something I give away freely. The best of the best doctors make mistakes daily.

I am glad to see that you put such so much stock in the words of a mere mortal, I pray that you never are put in the position to have your faith shattered when they are wrong about one of your loved ones.

Blessings,
~Heather
www.Emmas2Hearts.com

1,263 posted on 10/22/2003 10:42:42 AM PDT by Florida Mama (www.Emmas2Hearts.com)
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