[metesky]

This has been my argument from the beginning, Clemenza. These people are promulgating rules and regs for neighborhood bars and workingmans bars and biker bars that they will never set foot in in their entire health obsessed lives.

I've been drinking in bars for 45 years. I don't like fern bars and most of the people in fern bars wouldn't like me. I like drinking in the working places where you can meet the people who keep things running, the folks with dirt under their nails.

[Clemenza]

I've been drinking in bars for 45 years. I don't like fern bars and most of the people in fern bars wouldn't like me. I like drinking in the working places where you can meet the people who keep things running, the folks with dirt under their nails.

Yep, unfortunatly the Califonia/Boston transplants in Manhattan don't give a damn about places like Bay Ridge or Staten Island and wouldn't even set foot there anyway. There are no more bars in Manhattan these days: there are "lounges."