VIGIL FOR TERRI SCHIAVO SUNDAY, 10/19/03

Those Standing in Vigil | 10/19/03 | Pegita

[ChemistCat]

I thought the parents were forbidden to see Terri by court order, since they smuggled in a video camera against the court's order. How will her mother rub her feet?

[walford]

Here's a short primer of the situation that I wrote on Tuesday. G Gordon Liddy read it on-air on Thursday.

http://www.aim.org/publications/briefings/2003/oct14.html

If you have time do a search on 'schiavo' on FR, sorted by post time and browse the threads, click on the links. When you are properly informed, you may find that writing things like 'the courts know best' may be a tad embarrassing.

The media has succesfully framed this issue in such a way that the majority of people who are aware of it think that a compassionate husband is trying to relieve his beloved wife's suffering while her parents and a gaggle of religious kooks are trying to keep a warm piece of meat alive because their Sunday school teacher said so. This is simply not the case. For my part, I have a religion, but it did not originate in the Mid-East, so dogma does not drive my position here.

I strongly suggest you become informed on an issue before presuming to offer an opinion. If this is how you typically establish stands on things, you might want to consider the possibility that your temperment is more suited to the Left.
You might find a home with more like-minded spirits at:
h**p://www.democraticunderground/discuss/

[Pegita]

The parents can see her under supervision. One poster related, freeparoundtheclock, I believe, that Michael's impending mother-in-law was sitting at Terri's bedside as one who would supervise.

[ChemistCat]

Many of us who have come around when better informed started believing that the husband had the right to make this decision for his terminal, vegetative wife. Once we understand that the media has fed us a LIE on that, we come around. There's no need to abuse him.

[Georgia_JimD]

I'll read what you wrote, but you don't know me. I said I didn't know all the facts in my opinions here in one of my posts. This is an open forum and I expect the same curtiousness when posting. Knowlege sharing comes from open discussions here... Keep the DU site out of it. I'm not a liberal by a long shot!

[walford]

"Once we understand that the media has fed us a LIE on that, we come around. There's no need to abuse him."

I have no sympathy nor patience for people who will decide on an issue and spout opinions before becoming properly informed. Here's how I came to form an opinion on this subject upon first hearing of it:

[I didn't have enough info so I asked a question -]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999540/posts?page=11#11
"...collapsed from unknown causes in 1990 and experienced a devastating brain injury..."

I would like to know how devastating the brain injury is. Is she in there but cannot communicate or is she brain-dead? This long article fails to provide this crucial info.

p.s. regardless, Hubby sounds like a slime-ball...

[Someone provided a source of info]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999540/posts?page=12#12
You can see videos of her at www.terrisfight.org

In the past brain-damaged people have been killed this way who spoke and chewed food, waved, laughed at jokes appropriately. Just check out some of the stories on my FR page to learn more. http://www.freerepublic.com/~marmema/

[I looked at the info, did some independent research and offered my own assessment:]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999540/posts?page=24#24

http://host85.ipowerweb.com/~friendso/vid.html
I've seen the video [I recommend 'balloon']. OK - She's in there, there's no question about it. I would have no problem pulling the plug on a body being kept alive w/no brain activity. This is absolutely not the case. She's conscious, but impaired. Extra-legal action is warranted to prevent this senseless murder.

This is the kind of stuff that happens in certain parts of Europe. The elderly are afraid to go to the hospital in some countries, because their children can have them offed against their will, as if being old was some sort of disease. Given that they have socialized medicine, the gov't is only too happy to go along.

It's amazing how the Left can be indifferent to killing someone like Terri, but be leaking milk over a condemned killer about to be executed.


[I did further research over the following weekend and finally felt compelled to write an article about it. Instead of taking the time to find out the background info, you went headlong into the discussion without being properly informed. You have every right to do that. I have every right to respond accordingly.]

[walford]

[utahagen]

I promise not to curse you! Terri's family (and friends) would be happy to assume the cost of her life if the court would only let her survive. But the court has dictated that water and food be witheld from her. And, by the way, the court is not basing its decision on the cost of caring for Terri; rather, the court buys the husband's argument that "Terri wouldn't want to live this way."

I believe if you read more extensively about this case, you'll come to the same conclusion I did: that Terri is being cruelly starved and deprived of water -- my God, water! Even Jesus on the cross was given a sponge with vinegar on it to quench His thirst! -- because she is disabled. This may be the sickest thing I've ever seen happen in this country in my lifetime.

Please pray for Terri.

[Georgia_JimD]

"I have no sympathy nor patience for people who will decide on an issue and spout opinions before becoming properly informed..."

I guess someone would need a Masters Degree on any specific topic here before posting opinions on any subject.

I read all your links and it still hasn't changed my mind. You need to walk a few miles in other peoples shoes....

[Georgia_JimD]

I don't agree with the methods being used here. I saw the videos and have been reading various links to news that was posted to me. I still agree with the husband's rights, as cruel as they may seem to most people.

I pray the family as a whole can come to some "common ground" which is in the whole family's best interest.

My prayers go out to the WHOLE family...

[pc93]

PLEASE TAKE ACTIONS - HAVE PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH AND FLORIDA GOVERNOR JEB BUSH STOP THIS MADNESS. SAVE TERRI AN INNOCENT DISABLED WOMAN WHO HAS THE WILL TO LIVE FROM IMO CRIMINAL HUSBAND, JUDGE, AND COURTS. EXECUTIVE ORDERS CAN STOP THIS NOW. IN THE LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE AND THE FIGHT AGAINST TERROR HOW CAN THEY ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN? PLEASE FIGHT FOR TERRI'S LIFE. SHE NEEDS YOU RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND. THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO STAND. PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD FAR AND WIDE RIGHT THIS VERY SECOND IN ANY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ACTIONS. REMEMBER IF YOU TAKE ACTION AND TELL OTHERS TO TAKE ACTION AND THEY DO THE SAME, ETC. WE WILL HAVE A GEOMETRICAL PROGRESSION OF ACTIONS. AGAIN WE BESEECH THE PRESIDENT AND FLORIDA GOVERNOR TO BRING A HALT TO TERRI'S EXECUTION, MURDER, ETC. BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THERE IS PROTESTS OUTSIDE THE HOSPICE WOODSIDE RIGHT NOW AND IN WASHINGTON DC OUTSIDE THE WHITEHOUSE AT 3PM. PLEASE MAKE YOUR SIGNS FOR GEORGE W BUSH AND JEB BUSH TO STOP THIS. PLEASE MAKE PROTESTS OF YOUR OWN IN YOUR OWN WAY WHEREVER YOU CAN. Posted on 10/17/2003 7:59 AM PDT by Golden Gate

"The care of human life and happiness, not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government." - Thomas Jefferson

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If W doesn't save Terri Schiavo NOW in '03, then I will lose interest in him and hope that he is a mere w in '05 ! George W. and Jeb had better get with it!

And Arnold (and others in CA, and across America) could make a statement too - the Travesty in the killing of Terri Schiavo.

MURDER in the Making - in the Sunshine State! - (Florida)

EUTHANASIA SCANDAL to Erupt in Florida! Posted on 10/14/2003 10:25 PM CDT by conservative111

To: isrul

if Jeb can find the authority to order privately held orange trees infected with a minor blight to be destroyed to prevent the massive infestation of the same to the commercial orange orchard/factories that are such a powerful lobby in his state, why doesn't he use his same authority to save Terri's life? Extralegal measures are not new to him. (before the Bush v. Gore fiasco--he ordered Katherine Harris to certify the results in favour of his brother), Extralegal measures are nothing new for chief executives--from kicking the cherokee people out of their land under Jackson, to the blockade of Cuba (technically an act of war--which only Congress can authorize) under Kennedy, chief executives have taken advantage of extralegal measures to the benefit of a percieved interested majority.

12 posted on 10/18/2003 12:28 AM PDT by Schwaeky (Lex mala, lex nulla--if the law is bad, then the law is null)

In a message dated 10/18/2003 11:19:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, angleena@iowatelecom.net writes:

Terri did have a swollowing test done several years ago. From what I understand, the last time she was tested was when the lawsuit was initially started several years ago.

A nurse on the AOL Message board insists that a swallowing test is REQUIRED BY LAW every 6 months if you have a feeding tube and I KNEW Terri had not been getting them,

"Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity."

- Mother Theresa ("Notable and Quotable," Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)

http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri

http://www.yahoogroups.com/groups/helpterri/chat

Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:09 AM
Kangaroo courts and the Executive Power / Terri's will to live
10/18/03 -- Jeb's Emails to FR poster, summer, today, re: Terri. (And, a Message to Michael Shiavo)

Posted by pc93 to No More Gore Anymore
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:32 AM PDT #204 of 214

To: Lawdoc; dixiegrrl; supercat; Pegita

Rumours have been flying aroun the internet and people are getting things mixed up. This summary on one page seems to be the most accurate.

"Judge George Greer: Ruler of the Kangaroo Court set on killing Terri Schiavo. Impartial? Not in the least! Worked side by side as county commissioner with Barbara Sheen Todd (county commissioner) for eight YEARS. Barbara Sheen Todd is on the board of the hospice. Also, Judge Greer's fellow judge, Judge John Lenderman is the brother of Martha Lenderman (also on the hospice board! See the Hospice Board members! Greer accepted as the basis of his rulings, the questionable testimony of Michael Schiavo (and his family) that Terri would wish to be killed, yet Michael never stated that before he got about a Million Dollars to care for Terri forever. Greer also accepted as the basis of his rulings, the "opinion" of a third doctor who just happens to be the brother of a close associate of George Felos, right-to-kill attorney, and very significantly, former CHAIRMAN of the hospice board! If there ever was a rigged court, Judge Greer's is it!"



398 posted on 10/19/2003 4:41 AM PDT by TaxRelief

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The war for Terri Schiavo's life- some links

Posted by pc93 to IcelandicConservative
On News/Activism 10/19/2003 8:30 AM PDT #412 of 417

Ok. Sorry. Yes she is conscious but Jeb needs to do something straightaway as she has gone without food or water since Oct. 18 at 8AM.

Jeb has the duty to uphold the laws of Florida. He has been notified that a murder is taking place in his state on his watch, to a defensless diabled person. She is being starved and dehydrated against her will, upon the false testimony that she is brain dead and wants to die. She is not either.
Sunday, October 19, 2003 9:00 AM
JEB PLEASE SAVE TERRI NOW
http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schi ndler.asf

http://www.tomeaker.com/ts/terri-cabl e.mov

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download

TERRI HAS BEEN WITHOUT WATER AND NUTRITION SINCE
OCT. 15TH 8AM. PLEASE BESEECH JEB TO SAVE HER
AS HE IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO HAS THE POWER
TO DO SO VIA EXECUTIVE ORDER.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tammy Nicholas"
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:34 AM
Subject: [helpterri] Fwd: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY

And Very Important Info


>
> --- TERRISHOPE@aol.com wrote:
> > From: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:26:35 EDT
> > Subject: IMPORTANT UPDATE ON TERRY And Very
> > Important Info
> > To: TERRISHOPE@aol.com
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> > I have to do this ... this way, I have (many of

you
> > know this) tried to email
> > you all one on one and I just can't keep up, I am
> > losing it here. So it's a
> > MASS mail now, PLEASE bear with me. Let me try

and
> > tell you all ... all I
> > know and some other things as well. First of all,
> > there are many rumors going
> > around and they are making me mad, but I have got

to
> > ignore them because I don't
> > have TIME to waste and you know what, neither do
> > you. So if you want to
> > listen to me and believe me that''s a good thing,
> > because you will only get FACTS
> > from me, no made up BS. This isn't a game. And

if
> > I am half dead here I can
> > just imagine how all of you are holding up. You

are
> > fighting none stop, many
> > of you are putting ALL of your time and efforts

into
> > this and you are
> > AMAZING!! God bless all of you!!
> >
> > Okay now, first off... Terri as of RIGHT NOW 2 AM
> > Florida time has been
> > without food, water and any meds (meds that I am
> > aware of) for 88 hours. Her tube
> > was removed HOURS AFTER her last feeding, remember
> > she was only being fed
> > twice a day. She is still responding and aware!!!
> > She is still fighting for her
> > blessed life! "She has a will to live people!!!"
> > We have got to be her
> > voice, we just have to, it is the RIGHT thing to

do,
> > we can't give up on her, this
> > has got to be a sign to us ... how much more can
> > anyone take, her, her parents
> > and us??? I don't know, you all tell me. It is
> > said God will NOT put more
> > on you then you can bare!!! Do you believe that??
> > I think Terri's family is
> > our LIVING PROOF!
> >
> > I have been asked MANY questions about many
> > different things, a lot I can
> > tell you, some I can't and some is just simply NOT
> > important, please trust me. I
> > am in contact with the family and also someone who
> > is closer to this daily!!
> > I will NOT let you be in the dark, you guys made

Jeb
> > Bush act!! He may not
> > have done anything more then PROMISE the family

that
> > he would stop this if at
> > all possible, but WE are making him KEEP his

promise
> > now!!! Trust me, your
> > voices were hear and they were loud! None of you
> > are allowed to get a sore
> > throat now... Keep BOMBARDING Jeb Bush and

everyone
> > I send you email address's
> > to... and keep the faith. Something will happen.
> >
> > For those of you who have asked... Terri is not
> > allowed flowers, teddy bears,
> > a comfortable, soft warm socks, she is allowed
> > NOTHING! She never as had
> > flowers, cards or stuffed animals to brighten her
> > days ... her loving husband
> > Michael will NOT allow it. She is not allowed a

wet
> > wash rag on her lips. They
> > will put Vaseline on mouth. That's it folks.
> > Please read my emails ... this
> > was stated in the past, however I realize many of
> > you have just recently
> > joined this team of Angel's and I do mean ANGELS

...
> > so to those of you who are
> > new...WELCOME, God BLESS YOU and I am sorry we

have
> > too meet like this, all of
> > us.
> >
> > But do you all realize that that sweet woman who
> > even now while she lays
> > dying is bring sooo many good people together.

She
> > is STILL spreading her love,
> > the same love she spread to everyone who knew her
> > before her night of hell.
> > Terri to my knowledge (someone heard this rumor

and
> > ask me) is NOT chained to
> > her bed. She may be restrained because she may

have
> > grand Mal seizers because
> > of the lack of fluid in her system, lets pray not.
> > Which is a reason they may
> > restrain her ... but No she is not chained to the
> > bed. God bless her. :(
> > This is killing many of us too... Precious ones I
> > KNOW how you feel, all of your
> > feeling are sooo real, it hurts!
> >
> > Tomorrow morning at 10 am anyone and everyone who
> > can get up to that hell
> > hole hospice house (God please forgive me as I

know
> > Hospice does do good for
> > many, it has also helped those I've loved and lost
> > in the past) it is just THAT
> > place that has me crazy!! But anyone who can

attend
> > the protest PLEASE, PLEASE
> > go, even if only for 30 minutes, but I assure you,
> > if you go up there or down,
> > whatever the case my be, you'll want to stay for a
> > while, you just will. But
> > then it will weaken you and the feelings of
> > overwhelming sadness will make
> > you want to come home again, but d not let that

stop
> > you, PLEASE!
> >
> > As this family is horrified, grief stricken and
> > slowly dying with their
> > daughter/sister, they will STILL welcome you with
> > open arms!!!!! I promise you
> > that, find them among the crowd or in the camper
> > that is parked right there
> > across the street and tell them who you are and

tell
> > them you are with Lisa and the
> > TERRISHOPE group, They will know exactly who you
> > are, just not your name.
> > Sometimes there are 5 supporters there, sometimes

20
> > sometime 50 and sometimes
> > as many as 200. It changes constantly, but the

more
> > that go, the better. And
> > yes, people stay through the night, all night we
> > did.
> >
> > There are people from all over the world there I
> > swear to you, all the way
> > from Germany! I have met wonderful people, from
> > Colorado, Ga. Nebraska,
> > Washington, Calif. ... all over!! I was sooo
> > touched and I know you will be too...
> > All walks of life, red, yellow, black and white,
> > Jesus had all in his site!! I
> > started everyone singing God bless America,

Amazing
> > Grace, Jesus us loves us,
> > we talked, we prayed, we cried, we paced, we

yelled
> > out Bush save Terri over
> > and over to the lying media! You guys just

weren't
> > lucky enough to hear us
> > because they cut a lot of it out! We yelled out
> > many things, you just take the
> > steps and get everyone to join in ... do not be
> > afraid, someone has to get
> > people there started, but keep it peaceful! And
> > when someone is being
> > interviewed try and stay quiet. You can talk to
> > others about your feelings we all did,
> > many are full of anger, many are silent and just
> > pray and that's okay too.
> >
> > Be advised ... be very ready for someone in the
> > media to interview you,
> > there's a good chance of that, be ready to speak

up,
> > be calm and be clear that
> > Terri is NOT in a coma, that she is not a

vegetable,
> > that she is being murdered
> > and you are there because you want it stopped! Be
> > ready folks! I was
> > interviewed 5 times!! There is media there local
> > and National from all over, although
> > it has really slowed way down, BUT it will pick

back
> > up now that Voters will
> > be shredding their voters registration cards
> > tomorrow and they also will have a
> > Sunday service for Terri. Also there are MANY
> > police officers there, more
> > now then before and honestly I found them all to

be
> > very nice, just do NOT step
> > on the grass that belongs to the hell hole!!! You
> > will be confronted!
> >
> > As for Jeb Bush, YES ... he can and it is his DUTY
> > to stop this, what he has
> > said is political bull caca! HE CAN SAVE HER ...

If
> > he doesn't, I'd hate to
> > be in his shoes. HE NEEDS TO DO THIS and do it
> > YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! Believe
> > me, this is TRUE, he CAN do it, it is in his

power!
> > STAY ON him and the others
> > whom I email you about and don't stop fighting

until
> > we no longer have any
> > reason to fight. Then we can deal with the rest

of
> > the evil ones ... they will
> > hang!!
> >
> > Okay, I hope for right now, just for tonight, I

have
> > answered some questions
> > for all of you. I really am trying and this is

all
> > effecting me too... I just
> > want t go into the closet and hide and cover my
> > ears. I can't bare to answer
> > my phone, it scares me, Jinks cell phone rings and
> > we hold our breath with
> > worry. So please believe me, I am really doing my
> > very best to keep you
> > informed at all times about everything, but I

can't
> > tell you things that don't know
> > and I have learned already not to repeat what I

hear
> > unless I hear it from the
> > family, because everyone has a different view on

how
> > they see AND hear things.
> >
> >
> > I am so tired dear ones ... just mentally and
> > emotionally drained and the
> > clock ticks on. It is now 3 AM :( and 89 hours

for
> > Our sister Terri ... without
> > food and water. :( Please keep praying hard for
> > her. Let Jeb Bush know
> > whenever you think about it, send him the hours.
> > Don't let him or his staff
> > forget through out the days. We will get through
> > this together. I will send
> > another update tomorrow and I will do this

everyday
> > if at all possible, more often
> > if I can ... THANK YOU ALL... Tammy you too honey,
> > God loves you ... your
> > doing a great job on our message board and once
> > again for anyone who wants to
> > join the message board that Tammy and I started

(she
> > did the work, I am too dumb
> > with that stuff and it couldn't have done it
> > witrhout her) email me and I can
> > have Tammy get you started.
> >
> > I hope all of you are in bed and resting. Boy, we
> > sure made quite a team
> > here didn't we? Somehow I am not at all

surprised.
> > I PROMISE TO KEEP YOU ALL
> > POSTED with all the news good or bad as soon as I
> > know, you'll know, no matter
> > what it is. May God's Angels keep you safe and
> > surround you with "Our Saviors
> > Love" always, Lisa Pray for Terri PS here is the
> > address for the hell hole
> > hospice hose in Clearwater...
> > Hospice Woodside is located at 6774 102nd Avenue
> > North in Pinellas Park and
> > is just west of 66th Street North.
> > A group of Republican demonstrators are planning

to
> > shred their voter
> > registration cards and officially change their

party
> > affiliations in order to call
> > attention to the Governorâ?Ts refusal to intervene
> > on behalf of Terri
> > Schindler-Schiavo.
> > IF YOU WANT TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS MAILING
> > GROUP...PLEASE EMAIL ME AND TELL
> > ME...I will remove you within 48 hours and I

promise
> > No uestions asked. Also
> > if you delete UPDATES or URGENT emails from me, I
> > will remove your name from
> > the list. God bless you one and all, Lisa
> >


REFS:

Refs:

supremecourt@flcourts.org

Substantive Contacts:

Craig Waters for the Supreme Court, (850) 414-7641,
watersc@flcourts.org Brenda Johnson, for the Office of

the State Courts Administrator, (850) 922-5081,

johnsonb@flcourts.org

Executive Office of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask

to speak to the following individuals):

Robert H. Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to

Governor) -> fernanr@eog.state.fl.us

Raquel A. Rodriguez (General Counsel to Governor) ->

raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com

Christa Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to

Governor) -> calamac@eog.state.fl.us

850 / 488-3494 (voice)

850 / 488-9810 (fax)

Jeb Bush, Governor ->

jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com

Voice: (850)488-4441

Voice: (850)488-7146

Fax: (850)487-0801

Executive Office of the Governor

400 S. Monroe Street

The Capitol

Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Ask to speak to Lauren O'Conner

Attorney General Charlie Crist -> ag@oag.state.fl.us

Office of Attorney General Charlie Crist

State of Florida

The Capitol PL-01

Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050

Main office telephone numbers

Voice: (850)414-3990

Fax: (850)487-2564

Additional added note:

A criminal investigation needs to be conducted by John

Ashcroft. Please demand of President Bush to initiate

an investigation so that Mr. Ashcroft can get

involved:

President George W. Bush

c/o The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

N.W. Washington, D.C. 20500

Voice: (202)456-1111

Switchboard: (202)456-1414

Fax: 1 202 456 2883

TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213

Visitors Office: 202-456-2121

Although you'll get an automated response, here are

the e-mails for GW and Cheney:

President George W. Bush: president@whitehouse.gov

Vice President Richard Cheney:

vice.president@whitehouse.gov

Fax: 1 202 456 2710

United States Attorney General John Ashcroft:

(AskDOJ@usdoj.gov)

Fax:202/514-1009

NOTE: Free faxing for entire Washington D.C. area:

www.tpc.int/sendfax.html

Format of number to input is:
(ex. Pres. U.S. [POTUS]) -> 1 202 456 2461
(ex. Ashcroft) -> 1 202 514 1009
Vice Pres. Dick Cheney 1 202 456 2710

U.S. Senator John W Warner
1 202 224 6295

U.S. Senator Bob Graham
1 202 224 2237

House Representative Corrine Brown
1 202 225 2256

House Representative Henry Hyde
1 202 225 1166

etc.

U.S. Senate:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_informat ion/senators_cfm.
Saturday, October 18, 2003 5:29 PM
People needed at Hospice Woodside, and also in Wash. DC. at the Whitehouse at 3PM and wherever you can

[Georgia_JimD]

I think you've gone off the deep end here in this post. This is a family matter and you should not get so involved that it completely consumes you. Prayers to the family are more productive.

[Pegita]

Heavenly Father, soon those in Washington will stand Vigil before the White House on behalf of Terri. Whether many or few in number, You know the fear that we have ~ that she will die at the hands of a few, yet so many want her to live ~ not selfishly, for our own purposes, but because she has not had a chance to improve with care. And yet she is deemed unworthy to live.

Halt this horror, I pray, the hour is late. Cover Terri with the comfort and care of Your presence ~ be where we cannot ~ do for her what we cannot ~ in the Name of Jesus, I pray, Amen ...

[Marie Antoinette]

It did my heart a lot of good to read your post today.

I know it is hard to sift through the bias and the conjecture. There is a lot that just doesn't pass the "smell test".

Welcome aboard the fight for Terri, fellow seeker of Truth! :-)

[Diva Betsy Ross]

I think you are wrong for these reasons: Terri has been neglected for many years with the blessings of Judge Greer and others. There is much information out there that she may be the vicitm of a crime , which put her into this condition in the first place.

Her true medical condition is allowed to be falsly represented in court, upon which a death sentance has been handed down to her, for no crime. All we are asking is that there be a criminal invesigation, one which should have happened years ago, but that judge Greer blocked many times.

This is about our judicial system and what we will tolerate as a society . What is the purpose of this government if it is not to also protect the very helpless citizens of this country from the corupt powers of government?

[Lion in Winter]

You REALLY do not know much about this case do you?

Her so-called husband is a lying weasel.... he is a whore monger and will not even allow this poor woman to have LAST RITES!

[88keys]

I second that, re: ChemistCat's post...

Is there any news? I got my hopes up a bit when the one thread said "Terri's responsive"...but I had hoped they meant today, and that she was so obviously not "dead", even without the feeding tube, that they just couldn't continue to withhold water or food...

[Diva Betsy Ross]

There are many people who believe, including docters,lawyers, friends and family ,that her husband Michael was trying to kill her. Much has been said about Terri thinking about divorce right before she had a "mysterious collapse" Docters have tetified that her injuries were consistant with that of stranglation. Thomas More Law cEnter believes this case is similiar to other cases where a spouse was trying to remove the feeding tube of a person they were trying to murder prior to the feeding tube.

[ChemistCat]

It would be a family matter if she had left a living will with clear instructions that prevented this contention from happening. It would also be a family matter if there wasn't enough evidence to indict most people for attempted murder. There is.

Since she did not leave written instructions that would let the doctors determine which side has the right of what Terri herself would want, it is a matter for the courts. The courts are OURS. What they do in our name is our responsibility. We believe that the courts, which are responsible to us and to our Constitution, are assisting Michael Schiavo in murdering his wife. It is reasonable to believe otherwise; many people agree with you. It is not, however, reasonable to expect people who are pro-life to stand aside quietly and let it be done, when they believe that Terri is being murdered.

[ChemistCat]

I do not see this as a fight for Terri. A miracle can save her now, if she is not already gone, but nothing else. At any rate, I am not afraid for her once she is dead; she will have her reward either way. God knows her, loves her, and cares what happens to her. In the long run we don't need to save her--we need to save ourselves from the evil that has taken over the system we're responsible for.

WE are not responsible for miracles, though we can pray for them. We are responsible for what we can actually do for all the other Terris, remembering that we can end up in the same situation ourselves at any time.

There are people all over the country who are having this done to them against their explicit wishes because someone thinks it takes too long (or costs too much) for them to die. I have MY OWN point of view on what I want done in extreme situations, and I'm responsible for making sure my family and doctors are clear on that. WE are all personally responsible for that. But together we are responsible for what is legal in our states. In Florida it is legal to withhold food and water from someone who otherwise would not die and has not explicitly requested that this be done. That needs to be changed. Is it legal in your state to do this? If it is, you need to decide if it matters enough to you that you will actually write letters to your representatives and governors and demand that this be changed.

If what is being done to Terri is reasonable, then it is reasonable to excecute anyone for being expensive. Now that might be a good conservative method for making government smaller and lowering taxes. I don't think I can go for it, however.