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Terri Can Eat With A Spoon
World ^ | Bob Jones

Posted on 10/17/2003 2:03:11 PM PDT by mr_griz

AFTER ALL THE YEARS, ALL THE fighting, all the bitter recriminations, there were remarkably few tears on Oct. 15 when Terri Schiavo finally had her feeding tube removed. Maybe the crowd of 80 or so gathered outside the hospice facility in western Florida were too angry to cry, or too numb.

For her part, Carla Sauer was just too tired. "I've been pulling for Terri since 1995," she said as she sank uncertainly onto a three-legged stool to rest the sandal-clad feet she'd been standing on for five hours. "I still can't believe it's come to this."

"This," apparently, is the end of the line in the long fight to keep Ms. Schiavo alive. A Florida judge on Oct. 14 refused two final appeals from her parents, clearing the way for the removal of the feeding tube that's kept her alive for a half-dozen years. Without the tube, the 39-year-old will slowly starve to death. It should take about 14 days.

That's precisely the outcome her husband, Michael, has been pushing for. Claiming that Terri has been a vegetable since she collapsed after a heart attack in 1990, Mr. Schiavo says he is simply honoring a request made by his young bride: That he not allow doctors to prolong her life through artificial means.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, doubt she ever made such a request. But even if she did, they argue that a feeding tube is not the same as artificial life support. Her vital organs function on their own, she smiles and laughs at the sound of her loved ones' voices, and she has no terminal illness that threatens her life. If she simply has someone who cares enough to feed her, she could live for another 50 years—a condition not terribly different from that of thousands of other severely disabled persons.

"She's not a vegetable," Ms. Sauer insisted as she rested her tired feet. "She knows voices, she responds. She can follow commands, and she tries to communicate by blinking her eyelids 'yes' and 'no.'" And then there's the most important detail of all: "We used to feed her with a spoon, and she swallowed on her own."

That was seven years ago, when Ms. Sauer was a nurse at a rehab facility in Largo, Fla. At that time, Ms. Schiavo was getting physical therapy and full-time attention from skilled nurses. But the facility charged $4,000 a month, as Ms. Sauer recalls, and Mr. Schiavo soon chose to discontinue his wife's therapy and move her into the much cheaper hospice system. She's languished there for six years, tethered to a feeding tube while a fierce legal battle swirled around her.

The Schindlers argued that they should be named as Terri's guardians, in part because Mr. Schiavo now has a new girlfriend and a young child. Just because he's ready to move on with his life, they said, he should not be allowed to end Terri's. When a series of judges sided with Mr. Schiavo, the Schindlers appealed to the court of public opinion: They smuggled a video camera into their daughter's room—against a judge's orders—to show the world she could still laugh and smile and respond to affection.

With Terri now dying slowly, that video may be the Schindlers' final memory of their daughter. Rather than watching by her bedside, they are parked in a camper across the street. Bob Schindler has been charged with contempt of court, and he and his wife cannot visit their daughter without Mr. Schiavo's permission—or his lawyer.

The family tragedy, as painful as it is to watch, is only a part of a larger picture. Advocates for the disabled fear that Terri Schiavo's death could set a chilling precedent. "This is deplorable," Joni Eareckson Tada told WORLD in the midst of a whirlwind of press conferences and rallies. "What's happening here is just a part of a larger effort to class persons with severe cognitive disabilities as non-persons. Terri is not brain dead, she's not in a coma, she's not terminally ill. We have people who attend our weekend retreats who are more severely disabled. Yet the courts have washed their hands of this. Medical personnel are forbidden to deliver any food or water. She's being denied her right to humane treatment under state law.

"This case is a watershed for people with disabilities," Mrs. Tada said. "Removal of the feeding tube means you are promoting active euthanasia. As a quadriplegic woman, that's a frightening precedent."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: caneat; notincoma; schiavo; schindler; terrischiavo; terrischindler; thanksrobertdrobot
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To: SwordofTruth
Sword, tell me a joke, quick. help.
281 posted on 10/18/2003 12:45:16 AM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Jeff Head
This is not the case with Terri so killing her is at best assisted suiicide

I call it "Involuntary Assisted Suicide", AKA "Going Dutch".

282 posted on 10/18/2003 12:45:52 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: wirestripper
Could it be that he is only tring to do what he thinks she would have wanted?

Sure.

Could it be that my dog is laying turds out back that are really poop-covered gold nuggets?

Sure.

283 posted on 10/18/2003 12:48:12 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: wirestripper
Looks like they accomplished it with everyone but the court.

I wonder why.

It's like the Clinton impeachment evidence. It convinced everyone except for the Senate.

It's funny how corruption works, isn't it.

284 posted on 10/18/2003 12:52:51 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: montag813
I feel like if we really have fallen to such a repulsive state as a nation, where a woman can be murdered by her husband with the Courts as an accomplice, then one wonders how far off the Judgement can be.

When a civilization crosses a certain threshold of depravity, it creates its own judgement.

Look at the Third Reich, Stalin, Pol Pot.. all the way back to the Moloch worshippers who threw their babies into raging furnaces.

285 posted on 10/18/2003 12:55:24 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Graymatter
Someone who can, should do whatever does the job. I just pray they do it soon and correctly.

Why not do what Janet Reno did for Elian Gonzales? Should we try to get ahold of Ashcroft?

286 posted on 10/18/2003 12:55:28 AM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: Don Joe
You like the poop/gold nuggets analogy. Thank you, that was the laugh I needed.
287 posted on 10/18/2003 12:56:38 AM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: montag813
What a destestable statement about a man who has no power to fight this legal obscenity, and who in fact is doing everything within his power to help the family.

He's doing everything in his power, except act.

The man is a regular profile in currage, I tell ya. He won't back down from anything except a fight.

288 posted on 10/18/2003 12:56:55 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: GOPJ
Jeb's on Terri's side. He's doing what he can within the law.

If I hear this line one more time, I'll... I'll... I'lll... I'll demand to be added to the GOP Happytalk Talking Points Fax Tree.

You guys do realize that you sound like you're reading it off a script, I hope.

289 posted on 10/18/2003 1:03:04 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
Why do people care about how we think about the governor? If I see this as weakness, and I don't want to vote for him, so what? I can't believe that some folks main concern here is the party line.
290 posted on 10/18/2003 1:06:20 AM PDT by sfRummygirl (SAVE TERRI SHINDLER SCHIAVO...www.terrisfight.org)
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To: huck von finn
And I must confess, there's something about this situation, above and beyond the Michael Shiavo hustler theory and this total human disaster, that doesn't sit very well with me. I don't know what it is yet. There's a whole lot of conflicting information, as Spyder pointed out.

There is an underlying element that is abhorent to anyone with even a shred of humanity, that being the idea that if we don't know what someone wants out of life, we should kill them.

291 posted on 10/18/2003 1:07:10 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: huck von finn
I agree with every one of your points except the last, as these are no doubt part of Terri's medical records, protected by law, for now. But they might surface later. The law, medicine (including medical ethics), the pro-life movement, the right-to-die crowd, and other entities have a huge interest in this.

I don't know if and when her medical records can be accessed, but I'm willing to bet that a large number of people will be after the contents.

Well, maybe, and maybe not. You've got to consider the realpolitik aspects. Even though they're sealed, someone knows what's in 'em.

Among all the parties who'd like to know what they contain, the obvious fact is, there will be some parties whose position will be harmed if they're unsealed.

Now, what do you think would happen of those who know what the records contain were to be of the same mindset as those who'd be harmed by disclosure?

Do you think that just maybe they might take their fellow-traveller aside and discretely suggest that, "you don't really want to go opening that can of worms"?

I believe such a scenario is quite possible.

I believe similar things go on all the time. There is a very gritty underbelly to "civilization."

292 posted on 10/18/2003 1:12:52 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Jeff Gordon
What can Jeb do, legally?

Walk into the hospital with a police escort, and a spoon and some food. Who could stop him?

293 posted on 10/18/2003 1:14:11 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: SwordofTruth
Michael Schiavo knows that if Terri gets the proper medical care she may be able to tell the world that he is the one who put her in that state. Also, he has a life insurance policy on her that he wants to collect on

And, don't forget, he's got a new fiance with whom he's had 2 children already. The sooner he can kill his wife, the faster he can "move on" with "life".

I'd sure hate to be him at judgement day. Just think of the playbacks:

"Terri, I take you to be my wife... in sickness and in health"....

"Thou shalt not commit adultery"

"I was hungry, and ye fed me not... depart into the fire prepared for the devil...."

294 posted on 10/18/2003 1:17:52 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Antoninus
He absolutely does. He could make a public spectacle out of the situation. Show up at the hospice in person and try to feed Terri with his own hands. He could give a thunderous speech denouncing this ghoulish action. Is there any doubt this would create a public outcry that would escalate this case outside the hands of a two-bit judicial rogue? The media would be FORCED to pay attention. True leaders take action in situations like this. Spineless wussies do what Jeb is currently doing.

Amen, with one comment: it's not only true leaders who take action like this. It's anyone with even a minimal amount of street savvy.

Sometimes it pays to ask WWJD?

So? What would Jesse do?

I think we all know. And I think we all know what the results would be, too.

295 posted on 10/18/2003 1:25:03 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Rytwyng
Even a cup of water given in My name....
296 posted on 10/18/2003 1:26:38 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Deo volente
You got it.

The thing is, LOTS of people are getting it.

They're awaking a sleeping giant. That's the last thing any politician wants to do.

Jeb could have owned the world. He could have MAYBE lost his job over this -- and worn it as a badge of courage -- and then he'd win the White House in a landslide. People would be carrying him on their shoulders cheering him everywhere he went.

Instead, he chose to be a spineless wimp, and avoid risking his job. What makes this even more despicable -- and more STUPID -- is that he's a lame duck!

His job is lost anyway!

I just can't believe someone can be THAT clueless and still be governor!
297 posted on 10/18/2003 1:30:28 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
I just can't believe someone can be THAT clueless and still be governor!

You haven't lived in California, have you?

298 posted on 10/18/2003 1:31:40 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: TheOtherOne
When someone is in the clutches of death itself, she doesn't need "nuanced positions", she needs to be rescued.

There's a reason the SEALS, Rangers, and other special forces don't send in the lawyers.

299 posted on 10/18/2003 1:32:36 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: sfRummygirl
You like the poop/gold nuggets analogy. Thank you, that was the laugh I needed.

Hey, I got a big lunker Rottweiller and double-digit kitties. It comes natural to me. :)

(And the dog loves the cats. He thinks they're his. Very protective of 'em. Strangest thing you've ever seen is a kitten rubbing up against a big Rottie, and the dog licking the cat.)

300 posted on 10/18/2003 1:38:19 AM PDT by Don Joe
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