Terri Can Eat With A Spoon

World ^ | Bob Jones

[Jeff Head]

The people to instigate it...carefully and with no fan fare...are the parents and relatives who want to save her.

I know if it were me...I would do it just like that...and upon arriving would ask those in the vigil to join in and support us by simply entering the hosptial with us.

If 100 people come down that hall intent on getting her out of there...I seriously doubt the police will shoot at the time. If it were me...I would go ahead with it enven if they did shott...and then God have mercy on them because as long as I could draw breath I would still keep coming to get my daughter out.

The state is killing her. Plain and simple. They are doing it on the say so of her husband who obviously is not interested in or committed to Terri's survival or honor. His testimony and motive are suspect at best.

Those killing her, regardless of their state affiliation or sanction are criminals. I wish I were in a position like Hannity or Geln Beck or one of those guys. I would contact the family and ask if they wanted help getting her out, and then mobilise 10,000 people to show up to take her out of there and dare the authorities to do anything about it.

In the end...I believe the government would relent, like the did at Klamath Falls when push came to shove and it was clear that people were willing to risk their life and all to do what was right.

Jeff

[Don Joe]

Yes.

And you know this how?

It's been documented to timbuktu and back, which you'd know if you'd done any research on the matter.

You are only embarassing yourself by demonstrating your ignorance when you shoot from the hip.

Don't come breezing into town at the eleventh hour and try to go pumping sunshine up our asses, OK?

I mean, not to put too fine a point on it, but your combination of ignorance and arrogance is not appreciated at the moment.

[syriacus]

But it seems many here disagree with her right to have that decision carried out even if she did make that decision)

And your point is what?

That those kind of folks are not allowed to speak out for Terri, who had no living will?

I am against the death penalty.

Am I allowed to say Terri should not be dehydrated?

[Don Joe]

What can Jeb do, legally?

Plenty.

You're late to the game. Not to offend you, but the best thing you can do if you want the answer to that is to go to Terri's website and read the documents posted there over the past two days -- documents that spell out exactly what he can do -- written by the best legal minds in the country, AT HIS REQUEST.

You'll excuse us if we're not exactly overjoyed over his duplicity. You see, he first said that if there was ANYTHING he could do, he'd do it -- and, that he'd asked these folks to let him know what he could do.

So they did.

And he didn't.

Spineless, gutless, Bush Wimp Factor at work.

[Don Joe]

He asked the best legal minds in the land what he should do. They told him in no uncertain terms how he could save her, and, that he was legally obligated to save her.

Link?

http://www.terrisfight.org/mainpage.htm

[DannyTN]

"Mr. Schiavo soon chose to discontinue his wife's therapy and move her into the much cheaper hospice system. She's languished there for six years, tethered to a feeding tube while a fierce legal battle swirled around her. "

In order to go into Hospice a doctor has to certify that the patient has a "terminal illness" and that if the illness runs it's normal course the patient will die within 6 months.

Someone in Medicare is not doing their job if they haven't looked at why this patient has been on Hospice for 6 years

[texasbluebell]

Link?

Conservative attorneys urging Bush to intervene in Schiavo case

Lawyers: Bush can step in Schiavo

Legal Solution Now on Hand for Terri

[MHGinTN]

"She's not a vegetable," Ms. Sauer insisted as she rested her tired feet. "She knows voices, she responds. She can follow commands, and she tries to communicate by blinking her eyelids 'yes' and 'no.'" And then there's the most important detail of all: "We used to feed her with a spoon, and she swallowed on her own."

No wonder Judge 'kill'um' Greer shouted, "I don't want anyone feeding that girl," when Terri's sister showed up with a cup of pudding for her visit with Terri recently!

[Don Joe]

If you are so knowledgeable about Florida law, the statues and laws that are on the books, and the judge's misbehavior, why haven't you filed anything?

1. I am not a lawyer. I am a writer.
2. I am in Michigan, not Florida.
3. I am physically disabled, costing Blue Cross upwards of fifty grand a year, making me a prime candidate for... "treatment", when it becomes legal to "balance the books" using the techniques under discussion.

You call for Bush's head on a pike, yet you have nothing to show for your efforts.

What a snotty accusation to make.

You have no idea of what I've to show for my efforts, as you've no idea what my efforts are. And you won't know, either, because they're none of your business. What I do for the Schindler family is between me, them, and their representatives.

I'm sorry, but I don't seem to see you in that picture.

[YoungKentuckyConservative]

Does the Lord need any more reason to strike us for sitting by and doing nothing. Why aren't the people in Florida organizing a gathering to storm the hospital and peacefully rescue this poor woman? I could NOT just sit back and do nothing if this was happening in my backyard. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Are the people in Florida that subdued?

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

(Well, I'd shoot the bastard so that the legal custody goes to her mother, even though I'd go to jail.)

BINGO !!!

[YoungKentuckyConservative]

Amen! The people should be taking a stand...and a physical one at that if it is what is required. The "moral" populace had better start fighting for their freedoms. Time is running out.

[tertiary01]

Regarding a living will: I've been in situations where the tenets in the living will were not followed by the MD who thought they knew better than the patient.
Also not all nursing amd medical personnel that may come in contact with you have read your living will. My ex mother-in-law had a will that specified no life support, but when she collasped, an ambulance was called and emergency medical interventions were activated. The paramedics do not have time to read all the documents before they act and once life support interventions are in place it can be difficult to have them removed. In her case she was revived to full mental and physical function even though at one point, she had been pronounced dead.

[backhoe]

No justice for Terri , no votes for Jeb 2008. No justice , no peace.

I agree.

[Polybius]

THEY AR STARVING HER TO DEATH FOR GOD'S SAKE!

As someone in the medical profession, I know that stopping feeding and hydration occurs rather frequently. The long death vigil then begins. The family suffers two weeks of mental torture. The patient, those who claim to know say, "feels nothing".

I honestly don't know what the patient feels.

Maybe they don't feel anything. Maybe, in between the bouts of morphine drip induced sleep, they wake up to a semi-conscious state where they feel a raging thirst before drifting off again.

I have come to a conclusion about what I want at the end of life and it is not to be starved or dehydrated to death. If I am to be killed, I want to killed by turning up the morphine drip.

If society is going to decide to terminate life, then society should be up front about it. If you are going to do it, then do it quickly and humanely.

We don't starve dogs to death at the pound. My choice, when I go, is that I want to be treated as least as well as a dog.

[sarasmom]

"Would you feel the same way if you knew she had requested not to be kept alive under these conditions? (I know we cannot know, but it seems many here disagree with her right to have that decision carried out even if she did make that decision)"
Allow me to answer that question, as if it were directed towards me.
Yes, I would.
My former husband and I had many conversations regarding just such a situation as this.(not the one mention that she wouldnt want to live that way that MS uses to "prove" she would want to die)
His position was, that whatever it took, and as long as there was a single speck of life in his body,do not ever allow anyone to stop extreme medical intervention.He felt even if all looked hopeless, he would still fight to live.I swore I would honor his wishes.
I, in turn requested that he let me go, if my brain was severely disabled, because I would not have wanted to live like that.
I knew he would never be able to honor my "wishes". I also knew that knowing what they were, would allow him at some measure of peace,if nothing the medical world tried, was working.I do not now, nor did I then , imagine basic feeding would be considered excessive medical intervention.
I forgave him, verbally, in advance, knowing he would not be able to honor my wishes.Given his position.
My firm belief in the human soul, and its life after physical death, even though I am not sure exactly what it will be like,made forgiveness easy.
I also know that he loved me deeply, and had we been put in Terri Schiavo's condition,eventually he would go on with his life, but NEVER would he actively seek to take any measure intended to stop my physical existance.
Granted, that was many years ago, before living wills existed or were even legal.
Fast forward to the present.
I am the mother of a healthy normal child.God forbid that some tragic situation occur,and place my child in the position of Terri Schiavo, severely disabled,mentally and physically, but alive.
I would choose life for her.Ever and always.
This is not a situation where extreme medical life support measures are painfully and pointlessly prolonging the death process of a terminally ill human being.
This is murder.
This is intentionally killing a severely disabled woman.
I cant understand why so many people dont understand this.

[huck von finn]

A lot of things are wrong with the stories now out. One group claims Terri never got therapy, yet this story claims she was getting it 6 years after her brain injury. Does that mean she'd been receiving it for 6 years? If so, someone was paying for it, as Medicare/Medicaid will only pay for such services for so long... the individual has to be shown to be making progress. While most therapists can document progress made with just about anything, to keep it up for 6 years with no more achievements than being able to swallow boggles the mind.

What? So she was in rehab? As you say, the stories keep changing.

[Honestfreedom]

Assuming she asked not to be kept alive, did she know she would be starved and dehydrated into an awful death.<< Are you seriously asking about what she knew in a hypothetical question? Well, then yes, let's assume, she knew what extraordinary efforts meant, and that definition includes forced feeding.<<

I am assuming she had no idea that any comment she made would lead to her being put through an awful death like this.

[Dante3]

BUMP

[paulsy]

I like the scene you describe, and I don't like it. I hope it happens but without shots being fired. But like you, if it were my daughter, I would keep walking as long as I could breath, toward her door, I'd open it and walk in to embrace her. If they got me on the way, I guess she and I wouldn't be apart from each for very long after all.