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Life's lucky 'kick start'
BBC News ^ | October 13, 2003 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 10/16/2003 7:33:43 AM PDT by AntiGuv

The Cambrian Explosion - when life suddenly and rapidly flourished some 550 million years ago - may have an explanation in the reaction of primitive life to some big event.

The explosion is one of the most significant yet least understood periods in the history of life on Earth.

New research suggests it may have occurred because of a complex interaction between components of the biosphere after they had been disturbed by, for example, the break-up of a super-continent or an asteroid impact.

Scientists say the life explosion might just have easily occurred two billion years earlier - or not at all.

Dramatic events

All modern forms of life have their origin in the sudden diversification of organisms that occurred at the end of the so-called Cryptozoic Eon.

Scientists have struggled to explain what might have happened in the previous few hundred million years to trigger such a burst of life.

Certainly, it was a period of history that witnessed the assembly and break-up of two super continents and at least two major glaciation events. Atmospheric oxygen levels were also on the rise.

But what actually caused the Cambrian Explosion is unknown.

Writing in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, Dr Werner von Bloh and colleagues, from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, present a new analysis of happened.

They suggest that "feedback" in the biosphere caused it to jump from one stable state without complex life to one that allowed complicated life to proliferate.

"We believe that there was a change in the environment - a slow cooling of the system - that caused positive feedback that allowed the conditions for complex life," Dr von Bloh told BBC News Online.

Self regulation

Using a computer model of the ancient Earth, the researchers considered three components of the biosphere, the zone of life.

These were single-celled life with and without a nucleus, and multicellular life. Each of these three groups have different environmental tolerances outside which they cannot thrive.

The computer model showed there were two zones of stability for the Earth - with or without higher lifeforms - and that 542 million years ago the planet flipped from one to the other.

What caused the flip is not clear. It might have been a continental break-up, or even an asteroid impact.

There is some indication that the Moon suffered a sudden increase in impacts about the same time as the Cambrian Explosion. If so, then the Earth would have been affected as well.

This latest analysis also provides some support for the Gaia hypothesis - the idea that the biosphere somehow acts as a self-sustaining and regulating whole that opposes any changes that would destroy life on Earth.

Intelligent beings

Dr von Blow says that after the Cambrian Explosion there has been a stabilisation of temperature up to the present, and that the biosphere is not playing a passive role.

He also adds that there is an intriguing implication from his research which suggests that had the conditions been only slightly different, the Cambrian Explosion could have occurred two billion years earlier.

An early explosion would have meant that by now the Earth could have developed far more advanced intelligent creatures than humans.

Alternatively it could still be inhabited by nothing more complex than bacteria.

Dr von Bloh says that it will be of great interest when we find other Earth-like worlds circling other stars to see if they have had their own Cambrian explosions yet.

The timing of such events has implications for the search for intelligent life in space, he says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biology; crevolist; evolution; origins
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To: Right Wing Professor; pgyanke
He's not an atheist, he's an agnostic.

I don't not believe in god, I just want to see physical proof.

Word History: An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnosis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things” hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,” as he called them who had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870."

201 posted on 10/16/2003 1:42:07 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: js1138
"No regular poster on FR regards abiogenesis to be a solved problem. Many evolutionists, including Darwin, accept the possibility that first life involves a miracle."

Right. Note that I was referring to "some" evolutionists. The ones I am referring to are the ones who insist that while the answers to abiogenesis and several of the other unfilled holes in evolutionary theory aren't quite on paper yet, it is absurd, nay, deranged to believe that science won't eventually fill all these holes -without- the need for any sort of intelligent design.

I may have been unclear on that. I'm not claiming that any evolutionists are pretending every hole has been filled. What I'm claiming is that some treat the possibility that any of the holes might be holes because there actually was intelligent design at any stage of the process with utter contempt.

I've never heard a Christian refer to those who don't believe what they believe as insane or mentally deranged. I have heard many evolutionists refer to those who believe in intelligent design that way. Including in this thread.

I don't dispute that "many" who believe that evolution had a part in the whole process have an open mind. But not all evolutionists have open minds. Some are shut just as tight as the 7 day literalists. For them, any modifications to the evolution theory are mere detail - their real point is that they are utterly convinced that intelligent design will certainly be totally disproved, and it's just a matter of time. Which is no less a pure act of Faith than what the 7 day literalists claim.

"As for commom descent, go ahead and propose an altenative that makes sense."

Not sure what you mean by this... I admit I didn't read all 5 pages of this thread though. Can you point me to a particular post?

Qwinn
202 posted on 10/16/2003 1:46:28 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: whattajoke
He ascended to Heaven after his brief, post-mortem soujourn on Earth. Catholic tradition has it he had descended into Hell for the three days after he died, but this can also be interpreted as simply being among the dead as the two concepts are synonymous.
203 posted on 10/16/2003 1:51:01 PM PDT by Junior (Kinky is using a feather. Sick is using the whole chicken.)
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To: Just another Joe; Right Wing Professor
An agnostic is a religious moderate. If he doesn't believe in God, he doesn't believe. I don't take any issue with that. Saying he's an agnostic doesn't change the fact that he doesn't believe. There's no such thing as "I don't disbelieve so you can't say I don't believe." That's nuts. Belief is a positive word. Being not negative, doesn't make you positive.

In physics, a neutron is neither a proton nor an electron. Saying a neutron is not a proton is no slight to the neutron.
204 posted on 10/16/2003 1:56:19 PM PDT by pgyanke ("I drank what?" - Socrates)
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To: Qwinn
I'll just add, however, that to some evolutionists, anyone who questions any premise of unguided evolution from abiogenesis to Homo Sapien isn't just not an evolutionist, they're mentally deranged, effectively insane. I find that arrogance even more unreal.

The questioning seldom comes from a position of knowledge, though. Most of the time, when a creationist tries to point out flaws in the ToE, it turns out these have already been addressed by biologists -- sometimes many years before. In reality, most of the objections to evolution seem to boil down to "I don't want to believe I'm related to monkeys, therefore evolution is full of holes."

205 posted on 10/16/2003 1:58:20 PM PDT by Junior (Kinky is using a feather. Sick is using the whole chicken.)
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To: pgyanke
An agnostic is a religious moderate.

My understanding of an agnostic is one that does not necessarily believe that G*d exists but is open to the possibility.

They will not believe unless given/shown physical proof that there IS a G*d.
What that proof would be I can't say. It would probably be different for each person.

206 posted on 10/16/2003 2:01:04 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: CobaltBlue
"My background in the issue is the same as that of any other educated person. I've read the Illiad, the Odyssey, the Aenid, Crito, Phaedo, [etc., etc.]"

All well and good. But were you a "Greek and Latin scholar in high school?" (Personally, I was a gym scholar in high school. But I minored in after-school-parking-lot-bs.)
207 posted on 10/16/2003 2:01:25 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Junior
I just noticed that you are done killing 6 packs.

(you'll notice I stole from your profile, thanks).
208 posted on 10/16/2003 2:04:06 PM PDT by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: Junior; whattajoke
He ascended to Heaven after his brief, post-mortem soujourn on Earth. Catholic tradition has it he had descended into Hell for the three days after he died, but this can also be interpreted as simply being among the dead as the two concepts are synonymous.

Christ's journey into hell is described in the Gospel of Nicodemus. This book didn't make the cutoff.

209 posted on 10/16/2003 2:07:37 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; Junior
didn't Revelation also fail to miss the initial cut-off, only to be added later?

If that is indeed true, then I find all the End Times stuff all that more fascinating/odd.
210 posted on 10/16/2003 2:09:08 PM PDT by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
The only Nicodemus I've ever known is Philly mob boss Nicky Scarfo. Is that good or bad? ; )
211 posted on 10/16/2003 2:10:19 PM PDT by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: whattajoke; Junior
I think we hit this in a previous thread. I remember it was controversial but by 400AD it was in.
212 posted on 10/16/2003 2:10:50 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: whattajoke
LOL!
213 posted on 10/16/2003 2:11:29 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: null and void
Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.

LSMFT QED...

LOL!
214 posted on 10/16/2003 2:14:38 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Yeah... I grew up in South Philly. Not being Italian, I was more or less unaware of his crew, but when he got nabbed, it's all I heard about for a year or so.
215 posted on 10/16/2003 2:15:37 PM PDT by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: Qwinn
What I'm claiming is that some treat the possibility that any of the holes might be holes because there actually was intelligent design at any stage of the process with utter contempt.

Some might have contempt, but science is not science without the assumption of uniform natural laws over time. Of course scientists assume the holes will be plugged. That's their job.

216 posted on 10/16/2003 2:39:17 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
A Freeper suggested this was due to the way the scientists think - some creatures might have just as easily been placed in a new phylum. Another said that all the possible body plans have been used.

There have been new phyla since the Cambrian; not very many, true, but two or three (I think). It's on the talk.origins FAQ.

One of the interesting things about almost all our phylogenetic trees is how deep-rooted they are. What I mean by this is that the three or four main placental mammalian branches diverged very close to the common ancestor of all placental mammals; the birds, likewise, branched into major orders way back, and so on. Moreover, much of this branching seems to be associated with mass extinction, most prominently the CT boundary. My speculative explanation for this would be that the mass extinction opened up a huge number of ecological niches, while similarly exterminating almost all the efficient predators. Organisms which weren't initially specialized to fill particular roles, and would have been out-competed before the extinction, filled them, and were in turn able to specialize themselves.

If bodies are being created randomly by mutation, I would expect body plans found in nature to be far more diverse than the SciFi creatures designed by Hollywood.

I'm not sure that's how body plans were created. My SWAG would be that most major changes were caused by mutations in the developmental genes, which might have added a pair of legs, or changed the shape of a limb, or whatever. But I'm not sure you could throw up a truly wild body plan by that mechanism. Most radical changes are, after all, lethal.

217 posted on 10/16/2003 2:41:23 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Qwinn
I've never heard a Christian refer to those who don't believe what they believe as insane or mentally deranged. I have heard many evolutionists refer to those who believe in intelligent design that way. Including in this thread.

I could point you to one still posting, and a couple who have been banned. I could point to one who is active this week who considers anyone who disagrees with him to be morally insane. I'm not going to name them. They will show themselves.

These are folks who never vary their pitch. There are lots on both sides that have an occasional tantrum.

218 posted on 10/16/2003 2:46:39 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Alamo-Girl
One question which has never been resolved to my satisfaction is why there are not a whole bunch of new body plans since the Cambrian explosion despite all the extinctions (opportunities) since then?

For one thing, the longer you've had a body plan, the more committed you are to it. The Cambrian phyla, like the Vendian ones before them, are surprisingly similar in their size and simplicity--the lack of "derived" characteristics. They don't look all that far diverged from each other, despite the differences in body plan. Nowadays, some members of the chordate phylum can be a lot bigger and more complex than, say, worms or sponges, but the Burgess Shale species don't show the same kinds of diversity. (Although they do come in a lot of bizarre forms.)

This article is about what exactly triggered the burst of experimentation with greater complexity. (Doesn't give much of an answer, I admit.) Whatever caused it, something did. Experimentation with body plans, at least initially, was pretty much inevitable in that process. You're just discovering complex multicellular adaptations and it's really unknown territory.

Well, some body plans work and some don't. When you get one that works and have gone on to experimenting with details beyond that, you're unlikely to get rich throwing all your investment away. Especially if you have competition out there literally trying to eat you up.

219 posted on 10/16/2003 2:47:37 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: pgyanke
Why is it so much more plausible to believe that life is just a cosmic boo boo than to believe that we actually have a purpose ordained by our Creator?

Do you have evidence for the existence of this "Creator" as well as its methods, motives and meaning?
220 posted on 10/16/2003 2:49:39 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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