Let's buy off Terri's (scum) husband - Money Talks

Me | 10/15/2003 | WhiteGuy

[WhiteGuy]

Let's bribe Terri's husband into giving up his claim.

I'm in for $200.00

Anyone else?

[Concerned]

For anybody I may have missed listing specifically, I apologize. I'm having to leave right now and don't have time to make sure I got everybody.

[pc93]

Petition count just hit 80,000.

http://www.friendsofterri.org/petition.html

Thank you. Keep telling others.

Jeb can send in the guard right now and/or the police.

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Please see http://www.terrisfight.org immediately for the documents which prove that Jeb has the right, power, and obligation to stop what is happening to Terri Schindler Schiavo right now. This information cannot be ignored. This is breaking news! Please spread the word as far and wide as possible! This needs to be everywhere.

[Cold Heat]

Wirestripper, your heartless, Hitleresque attitude toward a LIVING---yes, LIVING---human being is DISGUSTING!!!!!

Oh!.... the hypocracy of so called loving Christians is here for all to see.

This woman was alive, but not now.

Now she is treated like a sick and dying pet without the dignity of a human.

I stand by my comments.

As to the Hitler comparison.............I believe I have responded adequately.

[Cold Heat]

check out what Michael's girlfriend says

What is happening in Florida with friends of the family and the like is exactly what is happening on this thread and others all over the country.

It is character assassination due to the emotional hysteria being ginned up regarding this girl.

It is quite plain to see for any individual with a open mind.

I have said all I came to say on this. Because there is no more to say.

Her doctors and professionals who care for her feel the same way.

They have made their views clear and the court has made it's decision.

[johnb838]

My Mom asked that every effort be made to revive her should she be unable to speak for herself. I honored that wish through coma and two cardiac arrests when it was becoming more and more obvious that she wasn't coming back. I had to decided when enough was enough. I was on the way to the hospital to reluctantly put in a DNR (Do Not Recuscitate) order when they paged me and said her vitals had changed. When I got there I found out that that meant she had died.

The point is that the medical people were always after her, when she was alert, to put a DNR on herself. They wanted to kill her. She had no value to them. She recovered fully several times over the last five years of her life in spite of the crepe-hanging medical people.

[SwordofTruth]

It is quite plain to see for any individual with a open mind.

Anyone with an open mind can see that this "husband" of hers cares nothing for her, never once tried to get therapy for her, never once tried to feed her - won't allow others to try. He is on the record asking a nurse, "When is that bitch going to die?"

If this is the kind of person you want to believe is telling the truth when he says that he is just honoring Terri's wishes to not live in such a state, then I have bridge to sell you in Brooklyn.

[Catspaw]

My Mom asked that every effort be made to revive her should she be unable to speak for herself. I honored that wish through coma and two cardiac arrests when it was becoming more and more obvious that she wasn't coming back. I had to decided when enough was enough. I was on the way to the hospital to reluctantly put in a DNR (Do Not Recuscitate) order when they paged me and said her vitals had changed. When I got there I found out that that meant she had died.

Neither my father, my maternal grandmother and my maternal grandmother told their docs to use extraordinary measures, but they also didn't have a DNR order either--at least not initially. After my dad had been in the CCU six or so times, he said, "That's enough of this crap (he didn't use the word "crap"). I'm going home." He died in his sleep in his own bed about six months later. In my grandmother's case--she'd been in the CCU 2-3 times--my aunt either couldn't or wouldn't make the decision when the doctor asked her about the DNR, so the decision shifted to me. We talked to the doc, and because my gram was still most competent, I wanted it to be her decision. My mom and her siblings agreed with me. My gram told her doctor that "she didn't want anyone pounding on her chest anymore" and she was ready. In my grandpa's case, when the doctors wanted to operate again for his prostate cancer and he found out that the operation wouldn't cure him, he said, "no more." He said he was ready to meet God. In the time he had left and while he was still ambulatory, he made arrangements for his own funeral, including picking out his own casket.

In these situations, neither my dad, my gram or my grandpa were pressured by the docs to make a decision one way or another. With my dad, the subject was never brought up by his doctors. In my gram's case, it was only brought up with her by her doc because of my urging. In my grandpa's case, well, once he made up his mind, he made up his mind and no amount of pleading or persuading--by the docs or anyone else--could change his mind.

[jmc813]

I just hope no one acts on those emotions.

Why not?

[johnb838]

YEah, the last doc Mom had, who WAS pretty good, we were at a community hospital instead of at a big teaching hospital, communicated to me that the things they had to do to revive her from the cardiac arrest were not very nice and if there was no hope of recovery why put her through it? After the first one I was ready to wait a little more, but after the second one it was time.

The problem with the big university hospitals was you couldn't pin the people down. They were so slick, so evasive that you couldn't find anything to hang on to. They would neglect, they would be careless with medications, they would be abusive... one time we could never figure out who the doctor actually WAS! They wouldn't return calls sometimes, would focus in on problems that weren't primary... they loved to treat her diabetes even though it was COPD that was killing her. They would with hold anti-biotics "because they're prescribed too much." Well, that doesn't apply to lung patients. It is uncontrolled infections that usually kill them so you can't wait to see if it's viral like you can with regular people. And that IS what killed her.

All I know is I did my best and it wasn't good enough sometimes, but I'd get up the next day and try again. I never gave up.

[Catspaw]

Why not?

Ask Paul Hill's family.

[Catspaw]

The problem with the big university hospitals was you couldn't pin the people down. They were so slick, so evasive that you couldn't find anything to hang on to. They would neglect, they would be careless with medications, they would be abusive... one time we could never figure out who the doctor actually WAS! They wouldn't return calls sometimes, would focus in on problems that weren't primary... they loved to treat her diabetes even though it was COPD that was killing her. They would with hold anti-biotics "because they're prescribed too much." Well, that doesn't apply to lung patients. It is uncontrolled infections that usually kill them so you can't wait to see if it's viral like you can with regular people. And that IS what killed her.

How odd. The treatment my brother-in-law has had at the U of Wisconsin hospital has been wonderful. He was in the heart transplant unit, though, and that may be the difference.

BTW, he's in year 8 with his new and doing fine.

[jmc813]

Ask Paul Hill's family.

I certainly wouldn't advocate anything like that (though I would love to see Mike Schiavo receive a severe beating). What I was referring to was along the lines of the police chief refusing to station his men at the hoispice, and Jeb instructing the State Police not to pursue any potential kidnapper of Terri on the way out of Florida. Does that sound reasonable?

[Catspaw]

I certainly wouldn't advocate anything like that (though I would love to see Mike Schiavo receive a severe beating). What I was referring to was along the lines of the police chief refusing to station his men at the hoispice, and Jeb instructing the State Police not to pursue any potential kidnapper of Terri on the way out of Florida. Does that sound reasonable?

Your latter point would open up the state of Florida and the police departments for one whopper of a lawsuit that Michael Schaivo--the one you want beaten, which would fall into the classification of aggravated battery--would surely win. In addition, the kidnappers would face charges--state and federal (if they crossed state lines). You also want to move, in some way, a woman who is in a fragile physical condition to, well, someplace, a woman who just was just recently hospitalized (twice, I do believe) for some type of an infection.

You may want to think this through a bit more thoroughly before you expose others to criminal charges that have lengthly prison sentences attached, expose various law enforcement agencies, the state of Florida and various municipalites to some hefty civil suits, and to move a woman who could die, just by virtue of the move.

[jmc813]

You also want to move, in some way, a woman who is in a fragile physical condition to, well, someplace, a woman who just was just recently hospitalized (twice, I do believe) for some type of an infection.

And this is worse than she is now how exactly?

[Catspaw]

And this is worse than she is now how exactly?

So either she's killed because her feeding tube has been removed or in the back of a van under a blanket being hustled away from the hospice to be taken to some unstated somewhere?

Some choice.

[jmc813]

So either she's killed because her feeding tube has been removed or in the back of a van under a blanket being hustled away from the hospice to be taken to some unstated somewhere?

I personally think it's worth the risk. I think we can both agree that it doesn't have to come to that and that Jeb can somehow find a legal loophole with which to save her. Lord knows, he'll be getting a hell of a campaign contribution from this non-Floridian if he does.

[Catspaw]

You may think it's worth the risk, but if Terri is kidnapped, her parents, her siblings, their friends and their supporters wouldn't be able to see her. Why? Because the cops would follow them where ever they go, tap their phones, etc., to find Terri and her kidnappers. The cops would be all over them. If the goal is to get her away from Schaivo, I don't know what's accomplished if she can't be with her family either.

As I said, you really have to think this through.

[jmc813]

You may think it's worth the risk, but if Terri is kidnapped, her parents, her siblings, their friends and their supporters wouldn't be able to see her.

Hopefully, they'd be able to find a state friendly to their cause that they wouldn't extradite and GW could pardon any federal convictions. You are right though, this really is wishful thinking. At this hour there's not much more left to hope for.

[Politicalmom]

Do you know ANYTHING about this case? This is not the first time they tried to kill her by starving her. This has been in the courts for years.

Have you read any of the affidavits of his treatment of her? Get informed, or shut up.

[Catspaw]

Hopefully, they'd be able to find a state friendly to their cause that they wouldn't extradite and GW could pardon any federal convictions. You are right though, this really is wishful thinking. At this hour there's not much more left to hope for.

I know it's wishful thinking and I injected reality into the situation. When people get frustrated and angry, as so many freepers are, and surely as desparate as Terri's parents and family are, it's understandable. Perhaps Jeb's legal team will come up with something, but, sadly, I don't think they will, primarily because everything that's been thought of legally has already be litigated and appealled, litigated and appealled. Heck, even if Jeb's legal team comes up with something, that, too, will be litigated and appealled, litigated and appealled. It's a hideously sad and tragic situation.