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The N.R.A. Is Naming Names
The New York Times ^ | 10-13-03 | BOB HERBERT

Posted on 10/13/2003 4:01:20 AM PDT by johnny7

The National Rifle Association doesn't call it an enemies list, but deep in the recesses of the organization's Web site is a long, long compilation of the names of groups and individuals that the N.R.A. considers unfriendly.

I'm happy to report that I'm on the list, but my name is truly one among very many. The A.F.L.-C.I.O. is there, and the American Academy of Pediatrics. The Children's Defense Fund and the Lutheran Office for Governmental Affairs are there. The United States Catholic Conference, the U.S. Conference of Mayors and the Y.W.C.A. of the U.S.A. are all there.

Among the celebrities on the list are Dr. Joyce Brothers, Candice Bergen, Walter Cronkite, Doug Flutie, Michelle Pfeiffer, Vinny Testaverde, Moon Zappa and the Temptations. Also on the list are the Kansas City Chiefs, Hallmark Cards, the Sara Lee Corporation, Ben & Jerry's, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City. I'm sure there's a method to the N.R.A. madness, but to tell you the truth, all I can see is the madness.

All of the groups and individuals listed are supposed to be anti-gun. I can't speak for the Kansas City Chiefs or Moon Zappa, but I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however, should be required to demonstrate a good reason for having firearms. We should go to great lengths to keep guns out of the hands of children, criminals and insane people. All guns should be registered. And all gun owners should be properly trained and licensed. The N.R.A. sees this as a radical, even lunatic position. So I guess we're at odds.

I asked Andrew Arulanandam, the N.R.A.'s director of public affairs, why the list had been compiled and displayed on the Web site. He said, "We put the list together in response to many requests by our members wanting to know which organizations support the rights of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms, and which organizations didn't." I asked what he thought his members would do with the information. He said, "How they use the information is at their own discretion."

I recently read Jules Witcover's book "The Year the Dream Died: Revisiting 1968 in America." The murders that year of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy were among the great tragedies of U.S. history. Both were killed by freaks with guns. What is not so well known now is that President Lyndon Johnson tried, in the aftermath of the murders, to get Congress to pass legislation requiring the registration of guns and the licensing of owners. The gun lobby fought and killed that effort, and it continues to fight to the death any attempt to bring sanity to the manufacture, sale and possession of guns. Between 1968, the year of Johnson's failure to get his legislation passed, and 2001, the last year for which complete statistics are available, more than one million Americans were killed by firearms.

No number of gun-related fatalities or serious injuries is sufficient to deter the N.R.A. from its fanatical course. A former N.R.A. lawyer has admitted in an affidavit in a lawsuit that distributors and gun dealers have for years been illegally diverting guns that end up in the hands of criminals, and that the industry has closed its eyes to the practice.

Instead of fighting to end this threat to the public's safety, the gun lobby and its allies in Congress are pushing legislation that would protect the practice by granting special immunity from liability to gun manufacturers and sellers.

The big item on the legislative agenda next year is the federal assault-weapons ban signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994. Because of a sunset provision, the law will expire next September if it is not renewed by Congress and the president. The gun lobby has made it clear that it will do all in its power to bury the ban. The plan is to not even let the issue come up for a vote.

The N.R.A. Web site and its enemies list (which looks like nothing so much as a broad cross-section of America) has led inevitably to a counter Web site, nrablacklist.com, created by a group called stopthenra.com. In addition to facing off against the gun lobby on legislative matters, the new group and its site are inviting people to volunteer for a spot on the N.R.A. enemies list. Ah, free expression. 


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; guncontrol; nra; rkba
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To: johnny7
If I substituted 'speech' for 'guns' in this article, would Bob Herbert still feel the same way?
21 posted on 10/13/2003 4:55:02 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool ("I don't know how you survived, slave. It doesn't matter. Prepare to terminate." -- Sark)
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To: OXENinFLA

Three more supporters of gun control.

22 posted on 10/13/2003 4:57:11 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

23 posted on 10/13/2003 5:01:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Grit
"He's not anti-gun. He's pro police state."

That's exactly what he's for. But what can you expect from a liberal elitist? They are first and foremost for government and elitist control of the people. To such people, I have only one thing to say: Remember Paris, 1792.
24 posted on 10/13/2003 5:03:07 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Grit
Hmmm, I don't see Meijer listed there. Looks like I need to send a heads-up to NRA.
25 posted on 10/13/2003 5:11:16 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Grit
wasn't pam dawber, on the list, killed by a stalker...

she might have been shot, but then, if she had a gun of her own she might have taken out the punk...

to arrive at the 1,000,000 americans killed by gun violence from 1968 to 2001 include all the soldiers dying in armed conflicts and all criminals shot by police and every suicide and victim on television...

teeman
26 posted on 10/13/2003 5:11:38 AM PDT by teeman8r (good, bad, doesn't matter, i'm the one with the gun)
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To: bitcon
"When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have freedom."

Actually, Thomas Jefferson said that, not Thomas Paine. But, no matter. The sentiment and the message is what counts.
27 posted on 10/13/2003 5:14:29 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: TN4Liberty
Probably include all American soldiers killed in war.

And of course includes all cases where the American shot was committing a criminal act before he (or she) was permanently stopped.

28 posted on 10/13/2003 5:14:34 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Ignore the propaganda, focus on what you see.)
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To: johnny7
If 18 of the 19 hijackers had state issued driver's licenses, what would that imply for gun registration?
29 posted on 10/13/2003 5:15:00 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool ("I don't know how you survived, slave. It doesn't matter. Prepare to terminate." -- Sark)
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To: OXENinFLA
You missed the point. What your picture shows is what liberals and neo-nazis like Schumer, Feinstein, Waxman etc. consider a good reason for civilians NOT to have any weapons. Armed citizens could effectively defy the lawful authorities.

Armed civilians could possible endanger police like these and impede them from carrying out their mission of imposing the will of the self proclaimed elite in the government on the rest of us. Bad thoughts on your part. Keep thinking government, government uber alles.

30 posted on 10/13/2003 5:16:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: TN4Liberty
Vietnam.
31 posted on 10/13/2003 5:16:56 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: ought-six
Interesting because it's printed in Saturdays Vancouver Sun as Thomas Paine.
32 posted on 10/13/2003 5:18:47 AM PDT by bitcon
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To: OXENinFLA
Has Sarah Brady ever been confronted with that statement? If she indeed did say it (and I have no real doubt she did), it should be constantly publicized.
33 posted on 10/13/2003 5:19:19 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: TN4Liberty
While it's probally an accurate figure, it will include suicides. The liberals refuse to discuss gun control unless they can include suicide figures since it almost doubles the number of "gun deaths" annually.

34 posted on 10/13/2003 5:19:56 AM PDT by Freeper 007
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To: bitcon
I have it in one of my history (my major) books from college as having been said by Thomas Jefferson.
35 posted on 10/13/2003 5:22:45 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: TN4Liberty
That is 28,571 people per year. I don't believe that for a second.

That is probably a slight exaggeration, but not by much. However, this figure includes 18,000 - 25,000 suicides annually. If you look at places like Japan, where guns are just not available to the general populace, you'll find the per capita suicide figures are about the same or higher than in the US.

36 posted on 10/13/2003 5:22:59 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: johnny7
“... I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however... ”

what about criminals...gang bangers, rapists, muggers, home invaders, burglars, ...how about them will they also be allowed to have guns....

No?...of course not....

Whew...that's a relief...disarming everyone except the police, the military and some para military or para police...what a great idea

Sounds like Argentina Germany The Soviet Union China N Korea Vietnam all have the right idea..

37 posted on 10/13/2003 5:26:17 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Pharmboy
And they all hate President Bush and despise the Patriot Act.
38 posted on 10/13/2003 5:29:19 AM PDT by ShandaLear
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To: johnny7
The big question in my mind is: Which of these individuals and groups fully realize the consequences of registration and subsequent confiscation?

These I guess would be the people discussed in Ann Coulter's Treason.

The rest of them just go along with the hype. Very few surprises among the actors and directors. What is it about being able to sing and/or memorize lines and evoke fake emotion makes a person so politically naive?

39 posted on 10/13/2003 5:29:38 AM PDT by Marauder (If God lived on earth, liberals would sue Him.)
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To: Grit
You know, I can never understand why Jews don't own guns yet buy German cars.

Beats me.
40 posted on 10/13/2003 5:30:15 AM PDT by Leisler
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