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To: metesky
Apart from this anecdote, the reasons states left and right are taking up the smoking ban is becasue it IS good for business, transition-lull notwithstanding. I have been dealing with taverns and mom and pop businesses for over 20 years. These people have a lot of pride and it is usually necessry to blame something for failure. Do I sell my car if I get a couple of traffic tickets? In Calfornia after 6 months or so, bars have more patrons than ever, because there is no potential death tax for walking through the front doors! Boo-hoo-hoo youse poor chimney people victims.
26 posted on 10/14/2003 8:53:44 PM PDT by at bay (no deals, Snotty, only nee-deals)
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To: at bay
Apart from this anecdote...

The etymology of the word "anecdote" is from the ancient Greek meaning "things unpublished", in other words an unsupported BS story that smart farts like yourself sling around, something that could or could not be factual, with no way to verify.

This published report of the closing of a one hundred plus year old business meets none of the requirements to call it anecdotal.

This story is fact, young lady.

27 posted on 10/15/2003 2:15:58 AM PDT by metesky (("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: at bay
Apart from this anecdote, the reasons states left and right are taking up the smoking ban is becasue it IS good for business, transition-lull notwithstanding. I have been dealing with taverns and mom and pop businesses for over 20 years. These people have a lot of pride and it is usually necessry to blame something for failure. Do I sell my car if I get a couple of traffic tickets? In Calfornia after 6 months or so, bars have more patrons than ever, because there is no potential death tax for walking through the front doors! Boo-hoo-hoo youse poor chimney people victims.

SO we are suppose to believe your anecdote over what some guy who has been in buisness since 1902

SMOKING BAN UNMITIGATED DISASTER FOR TAVERNS IN CALIFORNIA, CANADA

"But a study by the American Business Institute showed 59.3 percent of California bar and restaurant owners reported a loss of business since the ban went into effect in 1998, while only 6.7 percent said business had increased. Those that lost business reported an average decrease in sales of 26.2 percent, while those "helped" by the ban experienced a boost of 6.7 percent. And an analysis of California's sales-tax rolls showed that there are 1,039 fewer bars and restaurants in the state since the ban went into effect."

The reason why the bar buisness seems to be doing well is not because the are more people going to more bars but fewer people going to less bars.

Same in Delaware

Smoking ban burns businesses

Dover Downs continues layoffs Smoking ban prime reason, officials say

And New York

Tavern asks council for help

Shamrock Tavern wants to serve alcohol outside, saying smoking ban has hurt.

http://www.syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1065776130154210.xml?syrnegosw

The Empire strikes out

Three weeks after its Rochester location folded, Empire Brewing Co. on Tuesday abruptly closed its original and last remaining brewpub, in Syracuse's Armory Square...

The state smoking ban also appeared to reduce traffic, especially late at night.

http://www.syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?/base/business-4/1064392700312677.xml?syrbubiz

Butts ban in city a boon in Jersey

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/88799p-80790c.html

New York's smoking ban is a boon for out-of-state bars and restaurants

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/02/national0357EDT0441.DTL

Cig Ban Leaves Lot Of 'Empties'

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/75483.htm

Last call for Stumble Inn

Owner blames Champlain bar’s closure on smoking ban

http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2003/08_2003/080620031.htm

Two Local Businesses Closing Their Doors

Owners say the new state-wide smoking ban is keeping customers away, decreasing the amount of money coming in.

http://www.wbng.com/data/web_3727.shtml

Smoking Ban Aids Out-Of-State Bars

"Our members (in NJ) have reported a surge in business," Dowdell said. "We're in close dialogue with leading restaurateurs in New York City and they continue to report their sales have suffered as much as 20 to 50 percent."

http://cbsnewyork.com/campaign/politicsny_story_215203147.html

Business Booms Across The River

New Jersey Bars And Restaurants Benefit From New York City Smoking Ban

http://cbsnewyork.com/siteSearch/topstoriesny_story_153064147.html

Smoking Ban Blamed For Drop In Business

Some Bars And Restaurants Report A 50 Percent Decline

http://cbsnewyork.com/content/topstoriesny_story_132064036.html

Note, Liberals like yourself in the press tend to be bias in favor of smoking bans.

28 posted on 10/15/2003 9:57:30 AM PDT by qam1 (Don't Patikify New Jersey)
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