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Kansas House passes Alien Drivers License Bill
Kansas Legislature ^ | February | Legislative Research

Posted on 03/04/2003 5:31:13 AM PST by jonefab

*Supplemental notes are prepared by the Legislative Research Department and do not express legislative intent.
The supplemental note and fiscal note for this bill may be accessed on the Internet at http://www.kslegislature.org/klrd

SESSION OF 2003 SUPPLEMENTAL NOTE ON SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 2039 by Representative Klein

As Recommended by House Committee on Judiciary

Brief*

Sub. for HB 2039 provides that by July 1, 2004, individuals with an Internal Revenue Service taxpayer identification number who meet all other requirements of the bill can obtain a temporary resident driver’s license. The temporary license, which expires in three years, will be a license to drive but will not be considered a form of identification. Those items that constitute proof of residency will include, but are not limited to, receipts for utility bills, marriage license, copy of a court order specifying a change of name, a school yearbook with a photograph of the person when the book is less than five years old, passport, alien registration documents, photo student identification card, photo employee identification card, birth certificate, or a copy of any federal or state income tax return with the signature of the person.

By January 15, 2004, the Director of the Division of Motor Vehicles will present to the Legislature the distinguishable design of a temporary resident license.

The bill establishes a Drivers Education Fund. One dollar from each temporary resident license fee will go to the Fund which will be used to educate temporary resident license applicants regarding the laws of the United States and Kansas driving rules, vehicle ownership, titling, and insurance and to promote trust and cooperation with law enforcement.

Background

The sponsor of the original bill appeared in favor of the bill. Others who appeared in support of the bill, as drafted, included the Pittsburg Chief of Police; an official with the Department of Revenue, Division of Vehicles; and conferees who appeared on behalf of Sunflower Community Action, El Centro, Inc, the Kansas Hispanic Caucus, the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department, and an attorney from Kansas City, Kansas. Written support was submitted on behalf of the Kansas Catholic Conference, the Western District Conference of the Mennonite Church, and the Overland Park Police Department.

Concern with the bill, as drafted, was expressed by the spokesperson from the Kansas AFL-CIO. Opposition to the bill was expressed by four individuals, one of whom represented the South Central Coalition of Americans Together. The fiscal note on the original bill indicates that such an estimate would be difficult to obtain.


TOPICS: Kansas; State and Local
KEYWORDS:
On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 66; Nays 57; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 2.

Yeas: Aurand, Ballard, Beggs, Bethell, Betts, Burroughs, Carlin, Craft, Crow, Davis, Dillmore, Dreher, Feuerborn, Flaharty, Flora, Gatewood, Gilbert, Goico, Grant, Hayzlett, Henderson, Henry, Hill, Holland, Horst, Huff, Kassebaum, Kirk, Klein, Kuether, Larkin, Light, Loganbill, M. Long, P. Long, Loyd, McKinney, J. Miller, Minor, Neighbor, Nichols, Owens, Pauls, Peterson, Phelps, Pottorff, Reardon, Rehorn, Reitz, Ruff, Sawyer, Showalter, Shriver, Siegfreid, Sloan, Storm, Svaty, Swenson, Thimesch, Thull, Toelkes, Ward, Wilk, Wilson, Winn, Yonally.

Nays: Ballou, Barbieri-Lightner, Boyer, Brunk, Burgess, Campbell, Carter, Compton, Cox, Dahl, DeCastro, Decker, Edmonds, Faber, Freeborn, Goering, Gordon, Holmes, Howell, Huebert, Humerickhouse, Huntington, Hutchins, Huy, Jack, D. Johnson, E. Johnson, Kauffman, Krehbiel, Landwehr, Mason, Mays, McCreary, McLeland, Merrick, F. Miller, Jim Morrison, Judy Morrison, Myers, Neufeld, Newton, Novascone, O’Malley, Osborne, Ostmeyer, Patterson, Powell, Powers, Schwab, Schwartz, S. Sharp, Shultz, Tafanelli, Vickrey, D. Williams, J. Williams, Yoder.

Present but not voting: None.

Absent or not voting: O’Neal, B. Sharp.

The substitute bill passed.

EXPLANATIONS OF VOTE

MR. SPEAKER: Not only does Sub. HB 2039 fail to address the loophole that allowed Al Quaeda terrorists to obtain photo identification, board aircraft, and kill thousands of American citizens; it throws that loophole wide open. Calling all terrorists—the Kansas House of Representatives is putting out the welcome mat. Not me. I vote no on Sub. HB 2039.—CARL KREHBIEL

MR. SPEAKER: I vote no on Sub. HB 2039. The tragedy of September 11 made it very clear that a license is more than simply proof of legal permission to drive. The reality is that a license is one of the primary documents we use to show identity. A license can be used to open bank accounts, rent housing and establish identity for voting, law enforcement, employment, credit and retail transactions. Access to licenses by people in the country illegally poses risks and has the potential to undermine security. We should move toward tighter control of our drivers’ license, not less.—DEAN NEWTON, KATHE DECKER, DOUG PATTERSON, ROB BOYER, MIKE BURGESS, LEE TAFANELLI, KEVIN YODER, WILLA DECASTRO, BONNIE HUY, BECKY HUTCHINS, JOE MCLELAND, RAY MERRICK, SCOTT SCHWAB, JUDY MORRISON, MARY KAUFFMAN, DONALD L.DAHL, RALPH OSTMEYER,VERN OSBORNE, PATRICIA BARBIERI-LIGHTNER, LANA GORDON, BARBARA CRAFT, JOE HUMERICKHOUSE, SHARON SCHWARTZ, ED O’MALLEY, TERRIE HUNTINGTON, JEFF JACK, STEVE HUEBERT, EVERETT L. JOHNSON, C. FRANK MILLER

MR. SPEAKER: I support Sub. HB 2039. By allowing non citizens to obtain driver licenses with proof of a valid I.R.S. Tax Identification Number, we will be supporting public safety in two distinct ways: First, such persons will be able to obtain auto insurance, which will protect you or me if we are in an accident. Second, this bill will give law enforcement a way to identify non citizens, and will eliminate the needless expense of keeping such persons in custody until proper identification can be secured.—EBER PHELPS

MR. SPEAKER: I vote ‘‘yes’’ on Sub. HB 2039. I worked hard to defeat the bill last year on driver’s licenses for undocumented aliens. I would still be fighting against it if this were the same bill. This bill gives undocumented aliens a distinct license that is not the same as a license for anyone who is either a documented alien or a citizen. This bill ensures that the individuals receiving this license are not put on a list for jury duty, selective service, or to register to vote.—JANICE L. PAULS

1 posted on 03/04/2003 5:31:13 AM PST by jonefab
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To: AdA$tra; alfa6; ALS; amarok; axel f; aynrandfreak; beGlad; BigO50; bjhutch; cavtrooper21; ...
Kansas ping
2 posted on 03/04/2003 11:10:57 AM PST by jonefab
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To: jonefab
Hmmm. It's all so contradictory.
3 posted on 03/04/2003 11:29:29 AM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: jonefab
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I have been looking all over to find out who voted for this.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 11:36:14 AM PST by axel f
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To: jonefab
I certainly hope that illegal aliens get put in line for paying taxes and all that good stuff.
5 posted on 03/04/2003 11:37:30 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21
Nice to see Lee Tafenelli voted the correct way on this one. To bad it passed. Maybe Bob and his fellow senators can put a stop to this before the Hillary clone signs it.

Semper Fi
6 posted on 03/04/2003 12:30:58 PM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: jonefab
Thanks for the clarification. I remember the story, but not the slogan.
7 posted on 03/04/2003 1:37:24 PM PST by Myrnick
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To: everyone
My only real problem with his bill is that it gives a license to anyone with the proper ID, not just people who are qualified to drive. And it does so for three years. There's a reason people have to take driver's tests, folks...
8 posted on 03/04/2003 3:14:01 PM PST by Shadowen (Svelte Shady)
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To: Sunshine Sister
I certainly hope that illegal aliens get put in line for paying taxes and all that good stuff.

Actually I am in favor of this bill so long as the usual requirements for driving are present (written, vision, road test). There should be no other requirements for a DL than driving or driving becomes a privelege granted by the state rather than a right. For example, I find it outrageous that people can be denied a DL because of child support arrears.

Based on equal protection, all people should get DLs on the same basis.

Of course, illegal aliens pay the same tax you would under the same circumstances-sales tax on what they buy, real estate tax on where they live (directly or in the rent), income tax if they make enough money, they all apply under the same circumstances, "equal protection".

Their immigration status is a matter for the Feds and should have no effect on their relations with the state.

9 posted on 03/04/2003 3:52:54 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: dd5339
before the Hillary clone signs it.

I like your descriptive phrases. :o)

10 posted on 03/04/2003 4:59:22 PM PST by Free State Four (I've only read one Mad Magazine in my life. Honest!)
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To: Free State Four
Erasing my tag line. I thought I had already accomplished that. Sorry. Me bad.
11 posted on 03/04/2003 5:00:34 PM PST by Free State Four
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To: jonefab; dd5339
Hmm....I'm so confused...! The bill as shown in the top of the article is for DOCUMENTED aliens, with valid TIN# etc. But the bill is being described as giving UNDOCUMENTED aliens (ie: illegals) a 3 yr ticket to drive in KS...where's the part about the illegals in the bill?

Mind you, I don't like the idea, either way, but it is a bit confusing as to whether this bill proposes to give licenses to illegals or to the legally resident alien.
12 posted on 03/05/2003 7:23:33 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Texan-to-be...at least there's CCW!)
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To: Vic3O3
They have to be documented aliens, not illegal aliens.
13 posted on 03/05/2003 8:53:06 AM PST by jonefab
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To: Vic3O3
You don't need to be legal to have a TIN #
14 posted on 03/05/2003 10:07:39 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: jonefab
Please clarify for me. I didn't think "documented" was synonomous with "legal". If illegals are being granted DLs, isn't that ridiculous? Why wouldn't the INS be called immediately? This seems like a no brainer.
15 posted on 03/08/2003 10:05:17 AM PST by lagamorph
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To: lagamorph
Its really a federal issue. If we allow IBP/Tyson to import Mexicans by the bus load to work in our meat factories, than what choice do we have???? I did not vote for this but I could. The other aspect is the national security issue. In Kansas the drivers license document won't be a legal ID but who knows that outside the state. When these people present this ID at an airport, it will be considered a legal ID.

As far as documented goes they have to have a federal ID number, that makes them legal aliens. The other aspect is, most Mexican/Americans are very conservative, despite what their organizations lobby for. If we don't give these folks a little lee-way, they will end up voting for democRATS.

We could play this around for a long time and it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans. If you want to talk about where the real threat is, we can do that, it has to do with what we call a global market place. Its interesting to note that our university professors are defending the global market place, I would love to put these $100,000+ salaried people in the global market by hiring a professor from China at about $.10 an hour.
16 posted on 03/08/2003 3:36:42 PM PST by jonefab
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To: jonefab
Some state ought to noisily pass one of these bills, then arrest and hand over to the INS anyone who comes in to apply for one.
17 posted on 03/11/2003 7:42:19 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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