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On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 66; Nays 57; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 2.

Yeas: Aurand, Ballard, Beggs, Bethell, Betts, Burroughs, Carlin, Craft, Crow, Davis, Dillmore, Dreher, Feuerborn, Flaharty, Flora, Gatewood, Gilbert, Goico, Grant, Hayzlett, Henderson, Henry, Hill, Holland, Horst, Huff, Kassebaum, Kirk, Klein, Kuether, Larkin, Light, Loganbill, M. Long, P. Long, Loyd, McKinney, J. Miller, Minor, Neighbor, Nichols, Owens, Pauls, Peterson, Phelps, Pottorff, Reardon, Rehorn, Reitz, Ruff, Sawyer, Showalter, Shriver, Siegfreid, Sloan, Storm, Svaty, Swenson, Thimesch, Thull, Toelkes, Ward, Wilk, Wilson, Winn, Yonally.

Nays: Ballou, Barbieri-Lightner, Boyer, Brunk, Burgess, Campbell, Carter, Compton, Cox, Dahl, DeCastro, Decker, Edmonds, Faber, Freeborn, Goering, Gordon, Holmes, Howell, Huebert, Humerickhouse, Huntington, Hutchins, Huy, Jack, D. Johnson, E. Johnson, Kauffman, Krehbiel, Landwehr, Mason, Mays, McCreary, McLeland, Merrick, F. Miller, Jim Morrison, Judy Morrison, Myers, Neufeld, Newton, Novascone, O’Malley, Osborne, Ostmeyer, Patterson, Powell, Powers, Schwab, Schwartz, S. Sharp, Shultz, Tafanelli, Vickrey, D. Williams, J. Williams, Yoder.

Present but not voting: None.

Absent or not voting: O’Neal, B. Sharp.

The substitute bill passed.

EXPLANATIONS OF VOTE

MR. SPEAKER: Not only does Sub. HB 2039 fail to address the loophole that allowed Al Quaeda terrorists to obtain photo identification, board aircraft, and kill thousands of American citizens; it throws that loophole wide open. Calling all terrorists—the Kansas House of Representatives is putting out the welcome mat. Not me. I vote no on Sub. HB 2039.—CARL KREHBIEL

MR. SPEAKER: I vote no on Sub. HB 2039. The tragedy of September 11 made it very clear that a license is more than simply proof of legal permission to drive. The reality is that a license is one of the primary documents we use to show identity. A license can be used to open bank accounts, rent housing and establish identity for voting, law enforcement, employment, credit and retail transactions. Access to licenses by people in the country illegally poses risks and has the potential to undermine security. We should move toward tighter control of our drivers’ license, not less.—DEAN NEWTON, KATHE DECKER, DOUG PATTERSON, ROB BOYER, MIKE BURGESS, LEE TAFANELLI, KEVIN YODER, WILLA DECASTRO, BONNIE HUY, BECKY HUTCHINS, JOE MCLELAND, RAY MERRICK, SCOTT SCHWAB, JUDY MORRISON, MARY KAUFFMAN, DONALD L.DAHL, RALPH OSTMEYER,VERN OSBORNE, PATRICIA BARBIERI-LIGHTNER, LANA GORDON, BARBARA CRAFT, JOE HUMERICKHOUSE, SHARON SCHWARTZ, ED O’MALLEY, TERRIE HUNTINGTON, JEFF JACK, STEVE HUEBERT, EVERETT L. JOHNSON, C. FRANK MILLER

MR. SPEAKER: I support Sub. HB 2039. By allowing non citizens to obtain driver licenses with proof of a valid I.R.S. Tax Identification Number, we will be supporting public safety in two distinct ways: First, such persons will be able to obtain auto insurance, which will protect you or me if we are in an accident. Second, this bill will give law enforcement a way to identify non citizens, and will eliminate the needless expense of keeping such persons in custody until proper identification can be secured.—EBER PHELPS

MR. SPEAKER: I vote ‘‘yes’’ on Sub. HB 2039. I worked hard to defeat the bill last year on driver’s licenses for undocumented aliens. I would still be fighting against it if this were the same bill. This bill gives undocumented aliens a distinct license that is not the same as a license for anyone who is either a documented alien or a citizen. This bill ensures that the individuals receiving this license are not put on a list for jury duty, selective service, or to register to vote.—JANICE L. PAULS

1 posted on 03/04/2003 5:31:13 AM PST by jonefab
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To: AdA$tra; alfa6; ALS; amarok; axel f; aynrandfreak; beGlad; BigO50; bjhutch; cavtrooper21; ...
Kansas ping
2 posted on 03/04/2003 11:10:57 AM PST by jonefab
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To: jonefab
I certainly hope that illegal aliens get put in line for paying taxes and all that good stuff.
5 posted on 03/04/2003 11:37:30 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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My only real problem with his bill is that it gives a license to anyone with the proper ID, not just people who are qualified to drive. And it does so for three years. There's a reason people have to take driver's tests, folks...
8 posted on 03/04/2003 3:14:01 PM PST by Shadowen (Svelte Shady)
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To: jonefab; dd5339
Hmm....I'm so confused...! The bill as shown in the top of the article is for DOCUMENTED aliens, with valid TIN# etc. But the bill is being described as giving UNDOCUMENTED aliens (ie: illegals) a 3 yr ticket to drive in KS...where's the part about the illegals in the bill?

Mind you, I don't like the idea, either way, but it is a bit confusing as to whether this bill proposes to give licenses to illegals or to the legally resident alien.
12 posted on 03/05/2003 7:23:33 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Texan-to-be...at least there's CCW!)
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Some state ought to noisily pass one of these bills, then arrest and hand over to the INS anyone who comes in to apply for one.
17 posted on 03/11/2003 7:42:19 PM PST by The Old Hoosier
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