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To: polygirl
polygirl:

Kerry by definition was a traitor. It's the self-anointed pseudo intellectuals who are dividing this country. Kerry service was a sham. The real heroes of Vietnam War are lying in the fields of Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos.
Kerry gave comfort to the enemy and helped in our losing that war. Kerry would have given your security over to the spineless and American hating U.N.
Would you rather have a traitor as your leader or as you say an nonintellectual?
The Swift Vets were right. I suggest you read the book. They helped save this country from sliding into third world Socialism. Bush's presidency is also your lot.
The vast majority of Veterans voted against Kerry.
Read American Evita and you'll see what we're in for if Hillary ever became president. God Forbid!
Abortion, and particularly, late term abortion is wrong. Same sex marriage is an oxymoron . we need an amendment to protect society from liberal judges,since legislators won't take a stand. People have been cohabiting for generations. We don't object to domestic partnerships. We object to dragging the state of matrimony in the mud. I'm not sure what you mean by a moderate liberal when it comes down to killing innocent lives, and the basic structure of a strong society, namely, marriage. Johnny has two mommies or two daddies, is an indication of a sick society that's getting sicker. How can you call people of faith who are pro abortion and pro same sex marriage? That's an oxymoron. You're likely a cafeteria Christian.
16 posted on 11/13/2004 8:03:27 PM PST by capebuffalo
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To: capebuffalo
Oh, Capebuffalo, I had such hopes for you from what you wrote in #12. Disrespectful terms like "cafeteria Christian" are exactly the sort of thing responsible for the deep divisions we are experiencing. If that's what I am, then there are an awful lot of us out here.

We will not achieve the reconciliation we badly need in this country unless we recognize that words have tremendous power and choose them very carefully so as to avoid exacerbating the problem. In an attempt to sound witty and "right" we often write more harshly than necessary to make our point - I have been guilty of it at times, but I'm trying to refrain from it now - I invite you to do the same. If we need to vent, we should maybe do it somewhere else.

We really must learn to accept that many, many people see things differently than we do, no matter which "side" we are on, and yet we are all, every one of us, first and foremost Americans. No, we don't all hold the same values, but we don't always have to. Heck, when I was growing up in east Tennessee, even the Baptists and Presbyterians tended to look down their noses at each other in disdain out of disagreement over scriptural interpretation, so it will hardly help to engage in debate over issues like abortion and same-sex marriage. I doubt either of us would be persuaded.

One of our most precious rights is freedom of religion - you believe as you do, and I respect your right to do so. I respectfully request that you return the favor. We may not be able to understand how someone can see things so differently and consider their POV legitimate, but we simply must accept that they do, that they have a right to do so and learn to agree to disagree in ways that are respectful. If we don't, then we will continue on this very destructive path as a society.

Please remember that in my earlier post I wasn't defending either President Bush or Sen. Kerry as to their military service, I was criticizing those who sought to destroy their credibility by attacking their service record. I rarely take at face value what I read in books that are written by people with an ax to grind. The very fact that they have one discredits their words unless they are entirely documented with uncontrovertible proof.

Did Kerry make some big mistakes? Probably, but he had reasons he considered entirely loyal as an American soldier and veteran at the time. I can respect that. Did President Bush do his ivy-league white-bread best to get out of having to serve more than he did? Probably, but maybe he thought he had done his share already. I can respect that, too. Regardless, they served, and that is worth a lot to my mind. They were both much younger at the time, and neither has been in a position to speak candidly about how they really thought and felt at the time and how that might differ from their position today. I know my point of view has matured considerably since I was a young adult, and I imagine theirs have as well. I'm willing to forgive both for that reason.

Polygirl

21 posted on 11/14/2004 2:08:38 PM PST by polygirl (Proud Army Mom of 2LT Suzanne MPOBC Ft. Leo. Wood, Proud Army Mom-in-Law SSG Drew, 25th ID(L) Iraq)
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