So, let's see...you have been on FR for one week...we have been here for almost 8 years (6 years for me)...are you suggesting we don't have well referenced debates here?
What is your reference for saying that. I have mine...
I am suggesting that I haven't seen a well-referenced debate over this particular topic, although I did think that sboyd made several interesting points on which I hope he will elaborate if he is still visiting this board.
"...our present (unelected) president..."
"We used to think that Mr Clinton set the standard for presidential lying; but Mr Bush is _much_ worse."
"He has tripled the threat of terrorism"
"He "defends the environment", but he lets us drink arsenic and breath mercury"
Do you agree with these statements as facts...yes or no?
I would actually be curious to know Alan17b's supporting arguments and sources for these assertions...
-Show me the profanity
Take a look at the final statement of your 12/6 post.
-Show me the violence
Surface-to-air missiles are not violent? (I'll overlook the stun guns :-) )
I guess liberals are generally too angry to appreciate humor, or too disrespectful of different views to appreciate diversity...
I would be curious to know just exactly what you think a liberal is. You seem to be implying that I am a liberal and that by some definition of "liberal" that I am angry and/or disrespectful. All I have done is to try to defend (very politely) an individual who, when seeming to attempt to engage in thoughtful, albeit controversial dialogue, has been treated as if he has done nothing more than, well...take a look at the final statement of your 12/6 post...