Democratic Presidential Nominees: Who will it be?

none | 11 Nov 03 | Stephen Boyd

[NewLand]

Oh, and BTW...welcome to Free Republic!

MelissaA
Since Dec 6, 2003

[NewLand]

"he hasnt' captured Saddam"

UH, WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY?

BWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA! FOOLS!

[MelissaA]

Thanks, NewLand, for the welcome(?) and for the clarification of the purpose of the site. I must admit, however, that I had originally
found this particular discussion of the administration and the degree to which it demonstrated an adherence to traditional conservative ideology to be quite thought provoking. This was why I was disappointed when the conversation seemed ultimately to degenerate.

I agree that if issues are to be debated, that contributors, both
guests and Freepers, should include citations of sources. It would
make all contributors' arguments more credible. In fact, it seems to
me that well-referenced debates over the issues could go a long way toward the type of grassroots activism that this site advocates. The occasional apparently dissenting view, as it emerges in the forum, could be seen, rather than as a threat, as an opportunity for Freepers to articulate as objectively and convincingly as possible the position of conservatives in response to the view in question. Whether these arguments serve to "convert" the aberrant poster is immaterial, because they would accomplish the more important goal of continuing to build an archive that defines (with civility) the conservative view in contrast to the "opposition".

Finally, I would like to point out that I have not seen anywhere on
the web page any indication that if a poster "quacks" like a liberal it
is suddenly open season. I did notice, however, at the time of my
first post, the request, "Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts." Unless I have misinterpreted this
request, every part of it seems to have been ignored with regard to
communication with and about Alan17b. MelissaA

[NewLand]

"This was why I was disappointed when the conversation seemed ultimately to degenerate."

The conversation degenerated when alanb17 stated:

"...our present (unelected) president..."

"We used to think that Mr Clinton set the standard for presidential lying; but Mr Bush is _much_ worse."

"He has tripled the threat of terrorism"

"He "defends the environment", but he lets us drink arsenic and breath mercury"

Do you agree with these statements as facts...yes or no?

[NewLand]

"In fact, it seems to me that well-referenced debates over the issues could go a long way toward the type of grassroots activism that this site advocates."

So, let's see...you have been on FR for one week...we have been here for almost 8 years (6 years for me)...are you suggesting we don't have well referenced debates here?

What is your reference for saying that. I have mine...

[NewLand]

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts." Unless I have misinterpreted this request, every part of it seems to have been ignored with regard to communication with and about Alan17b.

Wrong again!

-Show me the profanity
-Show me the violence
-Show me racism

The replies were very respectful...the humor of the photos was superb...but then again, I guess liberals are generally too angry to appreciate humor, or too disrespectful of different views to appreciate diversity...

[MelissaA]

"So, let's see...you have been on FR for one week...we have been here for almost 8 years (6 years for me)...are you suggesting we don't have well referenced debates here?"

I am suggesting that I haven't seen a well-referenced debate over this particular topic, although I did think that sboyd made several interesting points on which I hope he will elaborate if he is still visiting this board.

"...our present (unelected) president..."

"We used to think that Mr Clinton set the standard for presidential lying; but Mr Bush is _much_ worse."

"He has tripled the threat of terrorism"

"He "defends the environment", but he lets us drink arsenic and breath mercury"

Do you agree with these statements as facts...yes or no?

I would actually be curious to know Alan17b's supporting arguments and sources for these assertions...

-Show me the profanity

Take a look at the final statement of your 12/6 post.

-Show me the violence

Surface-to-air missiles are not violent? (I'll overlook the stun guns :-) )

I guess liberals are generally too angry to appreciate humor, or too disrespectful of different views to appreciate diversity...

I would be curious to know just exactly what you think a liberal is. You seem to be implying that I am a liberal and that by some definition of "liberal" that I am angry and/or disrespectful. All I have done is to try to defend (very politely) an individual who, when seeming to attempt to engage in thoughtful, albeit controversial dialogue, has been treated as if he has done nothing more than, well...take a look at the final statement of your 12/6 post...

[NewLand]

1. You are the guest here. If you have facts to debate, bring them out...now. If not, stop wasting our time and judging people who did not ask to be judged by you. You showed up uninvited...so show us your stuff or go home. Don't 'pass the buck' to another poster, which for all we know, may be YOU! There has been absolutely NOTHING "thoughful" about his/her/your dialogue thus far.

2. I had several posts on 12/6 and there were no profanity...unless you count "poop".

3. Photos are not violent. They are used here to have a good laugh in many ways. Don't like it...? Easy solution, I'll let you figure that out.

By default, if YOU cannot vehemently deny the first salvo fired by alan17b about an unelected president, you should be totally ignored. I have been very generous in giving you a platform...this is your last chance.

Answer questions or go home.

[MelissaA]

You showed up uninvited...so show us your stuff or go home.

Don't we all show up uninvited?

Don't 'pass the buck' to another poster, which for all we know, may be YOU!

Are you saying that Alan17b is no longer available for comment? If you think that I am Alan17b, I thank you for the compliment, but I am simply a student. My aim has been to obtain an education about what it means to be a conservative. I have learned much.

By default, if YOU cannot vehemently deny the first salvo fired by alan17b about an unelected president, you should be totally ignored. I have been very generous in giving you a platform...this is your last chance. Answer questions or go home.

Wow! I thought I had logged onto a conservative site. Have I somehow been forwarded to a fascist one?