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California driver's license law excites illegal immigrants
Associated Press | 09-20-03

Posted on 09/19/2003 9:36:40 PM PDT by Brian S

DEBORAH KONG Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO - Housepainter Carlos Ponce Rodriguez has been driving to work for three years without a license.

Rodriguez doesn't want to be a scofflaw. But because he lacks immigration papers, he can't get a license.

That could change under a new state law that could let an estimated 2 million illegal immigrants get drivers licenses.

Though it doesn't take effect until Jan. 1, the law has already generated excitement and opposition across the state. One recent morning, Rodriguez joined a line stretching down the block outside the Mexican consulate to apply for a consular ID, one identification document allowed under the new drivers-license law.

"I need a license to go to work," said Rodriguez, 23, who drove a taxi in Cancun before moving to Walnut Creek three years ago. "I think it is a good law because not only can one move places in a safer way, but one will also be able to get insurance, and that also brings more safety."

The San Francisco consulate where Rodriguez was waiting used to issue about 150 consular IDs a day. That number doubled the day after the law was signed two weeks ago, and the daily average is now about 250, said spokesman Bernardo Mendez. Other consulates in California reported similar increases.

Undocumented immigrants now take care to avoid police, said San Diego consulate spokesman Alberto Lozano, but with licenses, "they will be more confident driving through the freeways and in the city."

The effects of the new law are showing up elsewhere, too.

The GNC Driving School in Santa Ana, which serves many immigrants from Latin America and Asia, is getting about 25 calls a day from would-be students.

"After the law was signed, it's just been crazy," operator Ricardo Aguirre said.

About a dozen other states allow undocumented immigrants who are state residents to apply for driver's licenses, according to the National Immigration Law Center.

California's new law lets driver's license applicants submit federal taxpayer numbers instead of Social Security numbers. It also lifts a requirement that applicants prove they are legal residents and allows them to submit documents like the Mexican consular ID to verify their identity.

The new law has been both celebrated and criticized, a sign of how it cuts to the heart of the contentious national debate over immigration and the role of undocumented immigrants.

Proponents say letting them get driver's licenses is a matter of public safety. Licensed drivers know the rules of the road and can buy insurance, making the streets safer for everyone, said David Galaviz, legislative director to Democratic state Sen. Gilbert Cedillo, who introduced the bill.

It could also help law enforcement by expanding state data on who is driving, Galaviz said.

Critics say the law compromises national security. In a letter to Gov. Gray Davis, 20 members of the California Republican congressional delegation said the law "erodes our state's ability to protect against terrorist attacks."

Some have accused Davis, who twice vetoed earlier bills, of pandering to Hispanics as he fights to save his job. Chief rival Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes the law and has said he'd try to repeal it if elected governor.

A group called Save Our License is already working to collect signatures to overturn the law by placing a referendum on a ballot next March.

Illegal immigrants who are "breaking the law to be in the country" shouldn't be rewarded "with something that is a privilege, not a right in the United States," said Jeff Evans, a spokesman for the Republican-backed campaign.

Despite some uncertainty over the law's fate, many are still enthusiastic.

Driving could mean a less arduous morning commute for Patricia Barbosa, who cleans hotels in Napa. Barbosa, 22, usually takes a bus to work, but has trouble catching one for early shifts. Instead, she walks 40 minutes to get to work.

Julio Mendez, a 19-year-old construction worker from Napa, sees growing opportunities: "It will allow us to look for other jobs, to comply with the law."

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Associated Press writer Maria-Belen Moran contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; US: California
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration
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1 posted on 09/19/2003 9:36:40 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
What's good for illegals is good for...uh...hmmm...Somebody help me out here, because it's sure as hell not good for US!
2 posted on 09/19/2003 9:40:42 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: Brian S
Rodriguez doesn't want to be a scofflaw. But because he lacks immigration papers, he can't get a license.

What absurd writing. He's as much of a scofflaw for being ILLEGAL as he is for driving without a license.

3 posted on 09/19/2003 9:41:49 PM PDT by South40 (Vote Mcclintock, elect bustamante)
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To: Brian S
Rodriguez doesn't want to be a scofflaw.

Then get the f&@# out.
4 posted on 09/19/2003 9:42:13 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Brian S
Rodriguez doesn't want to be a scofflaw...

Too late, Carlos. You are here illegally, you moron.

5 posted on 09/19/2003 9:43:09 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Thunder makes all the noise; lightning gets the job done)
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To: Captainpaintball
Didn't you know? Liberals don't give a flying fig about American citizens!
6 posted on 09/19/2003 9:48:37 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Brian S
I can't wait until Clinton is out of office so we can tackle this illegal immigration mess.
7 posted on 09/19/2003 9:50:19 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Stop Bush from abolishing the USA. No Amnesty. No Matricula Card Acceptance.)
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To: dagnabbit
I can't wait until Clinton is out of office so we can tackle this illegal immigration mess.

Yes but, we need that Republican Congress before anything can be done... /sarcasm

8 posted on 09/19/2003 9:57:15 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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To: Brian S
Rodriguez, 23, who drove a taxi in Cancun before moving to Walnut Creek three years ago.

Moving? Moving? Rodriguez didn't move he illegally crossed an International Border, the guy has no D/L and probably has no insurance to boot. The article makes it sound like he is Joe American "moving" from Cleveland to Chicago.

I've always wondered why the employers of these illegals are not sued when the illegal is involved in an un-insured accident. The employer is performing an illegal act by employing the illegals threfore putting motorists at risk.

9 posted on 09/19/2003 9:59:55 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Por La Raza Mierda.)
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To: Brian S
but one will also be able to get insurance, and that also brings more safety."

I seriously doubt that the Carlos's of California, when all is said and done, actually BUY insurance. Insurance in California is outrageously expensive. I wonder if Carlos will think of saving the money to buy other things ... not insurance, and leaving legal residents holding the bag.

10 posted on 09/19/2003 10:00:23 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: Brian S
More illegals will be driving. Statistically, an increase in the number of drivers will precipitate an increase in the occurence of accidents. One thing that will not increase at the same rate as the volume of drivers is the number of insurance policies.

(Increased claim$) divided by (Constant # of insurance policies) = (higher insurance premium$) paid by the rest of us. Another benefit of the bill bestowed upon us by Jackass Davis.

11 posted on 09/19/2003 10:18:33 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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"Rodriguez doesn't want to be a scofflaw. But because he lacks immigration papers", he already is!

"Julio Mendez, a 19-year-old construction worker from Napa, sees growing opportunities: "It will allow us to look for other jobs, to comply with the law." " Julio currently does not comply with the law (imigration law); a piece of paper is going to change that? Laws haven't bothered Julio so far so what his big push?

12 posted on 09/19/2003 10:21:09 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: Brian S
Proponents say letting them get driver's licenses is a matter of public safety

If I hear this line of reasoning one more time, I'm going to scream!! If this bill was about "public safety" then tell me why, oh why, does this bill also include provisions to allow illegal aliens to get California ID cards, too? For those who don't know what a California ID card is, it's an official state ID for those who can't or don't want to get a driver's license.

13 posted on 09/19/2003 10:22:57 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (End Judicial Activism Now!!)
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I'm wondering if one of these illegals can claim to be a "truck driver" from the "homeland" and also obtain a CDL to drive one of the big rigs?
14 posted on 09/19/2003 10:23:57 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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"It will allow us to look for other jobs, to comply with the law."

Comply with the law? Why start now, Julio? You sure didn't comply when you came here in the first place!

Will insurance companies even pay out claims if an illegal is responsible for an accident?

15 posted on 09/19/2003 10:24:07 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Moving to Turkmenistan, where all the jobs are.)
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To: Brian S
Sure, and I'll bet Swift would hire them for their 20 hour per day cross country runs.
16 posted on 09/19/2003 10:27:43 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: So Cal Rocket
For those who don't know what a California ID card is, it's an official state ID for those who can't or don't want to get a driver's license.

Unless they are totaly stupid, you and I both know that our foreign enemies must be sending their operatives south into Mexico to cross the border with the rest of the mexicans now rushing for their ID's.

So simple...to easy.

17 posted on 09/19/2003 10:28:41 PM PDT by Brian S (Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem...RWReagan)
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To: Brian S
How come I never see the real reason (other than Davis pandering) for this new law discussed in these articles. Not one word about motor voter and all the wonderful new democrats.
18 posted on 09/19/2003 10:46:40 PM PDT by SoCal_Republican
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To: Brian S
The solution to this mess is for all the other states to refuse to honor a California drivers license as valid. That means people in California can't drive in any other state. This would put some heat on the mess down there and get things going in the right direction. It is just time to start cutting California off from the rest of the nation until they do get there act together. Sorry for all in California who don't support all this crap, but your state cannot be allowed to run the rest of the nation a foul. This would be your chance to make a stink about your state government and get others to listen to you.
19 posted on 09/19/2003 11:25:39 PM PDT by Revel
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20 posted on 09/19/2003 11:35:42 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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