Rudy sez Bloomy blew it on city's total smoking ban

AP via NYDailyNews.com ^ | 09/17/2003

[Eastbound]

"I support ANY government that has the power to enforce a healthy environment for all of us."

Not the answer to my question, but very revealing.

[oldtimer]

You need to read Orwell's 1984.

Just a little government here and there.

[Great Dane]

But Rudy backed bloming for mayor, he should have seen it coming.

[Great Dane]

The increase in business is as much a lie in New York, as it is in Ottawa.

[Great Dane]

the gov. has pointed out many years ago that smoking causes all kinds of unhealthy problems.

As does a lot of prescription drugs, so whats your point.

[freekitty]

"I'm not foistering my opinion on anyone--the government has a right to enforce a healthy environment for all of us. Read a pack of cigarettes--the gov. has pointed out many years ago that smoking causes all kinds of unhealthy problems."

The government does not have the right to make our choices.

[freekitty]

That's telling him, gdani.

[varina davis]

Read a pack of cigarettes--the gov. has pointed out many years ago that smoking causes all kinds of unhealthy problems.

And what the nanny government says is gospel? A real sheeple remark on your part.

[VermiciousKnid]

I support ANY government that has the power to enforce a healthy environment for all of us.

My God, do you realize what you've said here? I have rarely heard such a bloodchilling statement on this forum. Heaven help us if people who think like you do actually win this battle for freedom.

Regards,

[Sacajaweau]

Circa 1800: Smoking and drinking are the "dirty" male habits which should be eliminated. These old books in my library are much more direct as to what is happening!! The smoking bans are nothing more than prohibition and women have been stumping for this for centuries.

[MarkL]

I'm not foistering my opinion on anyone--the government has a right to enforce a healthy environment for all of us. Read a pack of cigarettes--the gov. has pointed out many years ago that smoking causes all kinds of unhealthy problems.

Ahhh... Well, high calorie, high fat food is next. I hope you don't miss your cheeseburgers. But then, that's a good thing, according to your post... "the government has a right to enforce a healthy environment for all of us."

Mark

[MarkL]

I support ANY government that has the power to enforce a healthy environment for all of us.

So, you want the gubmint to be your mommy and daddy... That's fine. Just don't be suprised when "they" decide that certain things you happen to like are determines to be "unhealthy" for you... Could be anything... Banning of motorcycles, sky-diving, scuba diving, off-roading, hunting, skiing, sailing, shooting... All of these are "dangerous passtimes."

Other stuff? Have you seen the warnings on bottles of alcohol? Can't have any of that stuff any more. Too dangerous: You might decide to take a drive somewhere. Give up on eating that pizza, or having pie for desert. And Oreo cookies? Forget it. No milk either... Well, maybe they'll allow milk. Dairy farmers have a pretty stong lobby... Are you getting the picture? The more power you give the gubmint over micro-managing your life, the greater the impact of the laws of unintended consequences... Example? How about when the luxury tax went into effect, how much additional money did it generate? The bigger question should be, how many businesses did it run out of business? How many ship building companies went broke? How did it effect the private airplane business?

Mark

[Tailback]

I read a report from NYC which showed an increase in businesses.

Still waiting on the link to the report.

[qam1]

Bars and restaurants will attract many non-smokers who left in the past because of their opposition to smokers.

No they haven't and no they won't.

Most nonsmokers who go to bars don't care about smoking one way or the other, The same with restaurants most people don't care if there is a smoking section.

Bars and Restaurants will always lose money when a ban happens because the small minority of Whiney people like you who are really bothered by smoking just aren't the type of people who go out and spend a lot of money at bars and restaurants, Because people there are having fun and fun is the last thing you miserable people are capable of. I know your type you go to a restaurant/bar and just order a salad and maybe have a glass of white wine and you are home in bed by 8:30, Yeah that outta make up for all the lost heavy drinkers.

I read a report from NYC which showed an increase in businesses.

Really then please explain the following

Butts ban in city a boon in Jersey

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/88799p-80790c.html

New York's smoking ban is a boon for out-of-state bars and restaurants

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/02/national0357EDT0441.DTL

Cig Ban Leaves Lot Of 'Empties'

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/75483.htm

Last call for Stumble Inn

Owner blames Champlain bar’s closure on smoking ban

http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2003/08_2003/080620031.htm

Two Local Businesses Closing Their Doors

Owners say the new state-wide smoking ban is keeping customers away, decreasing the amount of money coming in.

http://www.wbng.com/data/web_3727.shtml

Smoking Ban Aids Out-Of-State Bars

"Our members have reported a surge in business," Dowdell said. "We're in close dialogue with leading restaurateurs in New York City and they continue to report their sales have suffered as much as 20 to 50 percent."

http://cbsnewyork.com/campaign/politicsny_story_215203147.html

Business Booms Across The River

New Jersey Bars And Restaurants Benefit From New York City Smoking Ban

http://cbsnewyork.com/siteSearch/topstoriesny_story_153064147.html

Smoking Ban Blamed For Drop In Business

Some Bars And Restaurants Report A 50 Percent Decline

http://cbsnewyork.com/content/topstoriesny_story_132064036.html

Hmmmmm, New York buisness is down and places are going out of buisness while across the border in New Jersey buisness is booming (Since the ban in my town a new bar opened and another one is opening up soon and they and the others are all booming). Coincidence???

Why aren't nonsmokers (The Majority remember) poring over from NJ into NY? So where are all these nonsmokers that you claim will be attracted to the smoke free environment????

Sorry pal, But it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

[republicanwizard]

Okay, brainy. Who should he have supported? Green? I know. A true conservative. Give me a break. Bloomberg may have some stupid policies, but he is a helluva lot better than his opponent would have been.

[bc2]

"I support ANY government that has the power to enforce a healthy environment for all of us."

[razorback-bert]

That has to be the stupidest ever on FR.

Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al, would love you.

[Kiss Me Hardy]

Bloomberg is "a helluva lot better" than Green. Well, I'll grant he's better (to a degree) but it's still an invidious choice -- sorta like saying being constipated is "better" than having the runs.

Neither is particularly pleasant.

As I said earlier, there'll never be another Rudy.

[DefCon]

"...I support ANY government that has the power
to enforce a healthy environment for all of us..."
- - -
Oh? Now think about what you are saying.
Since some people are known to have peanut allergies, should we have a law
that prohibits peanuts and peanut butter in all resturants?
After all, such a law would provide for "a healthy environment for all of us".