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Bans on Smoking in Prison
Shrink a Coveted Market
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^
| Wednesday, August 27, 2003
| VANESSA O'CONNELL
Posted on 08/27/2003 7:03:29 AM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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RIKERS ISLAND, N.Y. -- For years, inmates trekked to the commissary, off a dingy hallway here in this huge New York City jail complex, to buy cigarettes. Tobacco companies also furnished them with free T-shirts and socks emblazoned with the Kool and Newport logos. Cigarette makers gave the jail sports equipment, board games and, for a time, cash awards that funded antiviolence videos and inmate holiday parties.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: pufflist
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To: thoughtomator
I work in a law office. Calls start at $5.14/minute. You want to verify it, call any lawyer that deals in any aspect of criminal law and ask them, you have a phone book.Please name the prison.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:36:28 AM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: presidio9
Ah, but they do. Extortionate communication costs form an unreasonable barrier to the assistance of counsel as guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:36:54 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
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To: thoughtomator
I work in a law office. Calls start at $5.14/minute. Is that what your office charges the client to speak to a lawyer?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:37:13 AM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: thoughtomator
I also find it outrageous that hotels mark up phone billing rates.
And, for that matter, the fact that a hotdog at the US Open this week costs $4.75. The injustice of it all!!!
Stop selling pot and jail becomes less of a primary concern in your life.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:37:54 AM PDT
by
presidio9
(Run Al Run!!!)
To: presidio9
GOOD! Now ban drugs, weightlifting, MTV and rape of white inmates (other than paedophiles). Chemical "castration" should be administered to repeat sodomists. No weights at all...let them do push ups...we are building minor felons into killing machines when they get out.
To: thoughtomator
Ah, but they do. Extortionate communication costs form an unreasonable barrier to the assistance of counsel as guaranteed by the Sixth Amendment: What extortionate communication costs?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:38:21 AM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: cinFLA
I can name quite a few of them. Sussex County Jail, Elizabeth Detention Center, Wackenhut, Buffalo, Batavia, and Yuba County Jail are all places from which my office has been called at the indicated prices during the past two weeks.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:38:32 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
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To: thoughtomator
Wrong. All jails have visiting rooms. If your lawyer isn't visiting you regularly, get a new lawyer.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:39:15 AM PDT
by
presidio9
(Run Al Run!!!)
To: *puff_list
Ping!
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:39:39 AM PDT
by
Fraulein
(TCB)
To: thoughtomator
Markups are in the 2000% range. It costs them $10 per pay phone local call to Manhattan? I doubt this very much.
To: montag813
Right. A there are a lot of young gang members who see jail as sort of a health retreat.
Seriously.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:40:44 AM PDT
by
presidio9
(Run Al Run!!!)
To: cinFLA
When you pay $5+/min for a call that normally costs 10-25 cents/min, that qualifies as extortionate communication costs under any reasonable standard.
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:40:51 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(Welcome to the Iraq Roach Motel - Islamofascists check in, but they don't check out!)
To: cinFLA
OK. Don't charge those that have not been convicted for their room and board. Works for me. Thats a pretty screwed up attitude. Im sure that anyone being held on charges really appreciates the luxurious accommodations and fine dining. These people HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING at this point. Do you care at all about due process?
To: SouthParkRepublican
The people you're talking to are dedicated WoD freaks, and have already decided the Constitution isn't worth spit. As dedicated opponents of the Second, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments, what reason would they have to defer to the Sixth?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:44:42 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(Welcome to the Iraq Roach Motel - Islamofascists check in, but they don't check out!)
To: SouthParkRepublican
Thats a pretty screwed up attitude. Im sure that anyone being held on charges really appreciates the luxurious accommodations and fine dining. These people HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING at this point. Do you care at all about due process? So you disagree with me and you want to charge those not convicted with room and board while in prison?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:47:17 AM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: thoughtomator
Not everyone in prison has been convicted of a crime. Really? What percentage?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:48:23 AM PDT
by
cinFLA
To: cinFLA
What does the percentage matter? What percent of innocent citizens denied their Constitutional rights is acceptable to you?
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posted on
08/27/2003 7:50:34 AM PDT
by
thoughtomator
(Welcome to the Iraq Roach Motel - Islamofascists check in, but they don't check out!)
To: All
The people you're talking to are dedicated WoD freaks This person is a dedicated habitual drug user. Any means to facilitate his addiction is justifiable to him. Any impediment represents totalitarian civil rights violations. In his happy world everyone just minds his own business, and things run ever-so smoothly.
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posted on
08/27/2003 8:03:31 AM PDT
by
presidio9
(Run Al Run!!!)
To: cinFLA
So you disagree with me and you want to charge those not convicted with room and board while in prison? On the contrary, if a person is being held on charges and has not been convicted of anything they should not have to pay for anything, room, food, communication with family members or legal defense. These people are still considered innocent in the eyes of the law. Do you think anyone held on charges should be denied these things?
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