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For Bart's, ban on smoking is a killer (smoking ban drives restaurant out of business)
The Rocky Mountain News ^ | 06/28/03 | Bill Johnson

Posted on 07/03/2003 10:44:39 AM PDT by Drew68

Johnson: For Bart's, ban on smoking is a killer

June 28, 2003

So who is going to march on City Hall and scream for Robert Mannion's rights?

The answer, of course, is no one. Indeed, Robert Mannion had no rights when it came to the conduct of his restaurant. It was the city's way, or the highway. And that is how this man's restaurant died.

Smoking killed it. Rather, it was the lack of it that forced its quick demise.

Less than a year after the city of Louisville enacted a no-smoking ordinance in all restaurants, Bart's, a fixture in the town for nearly three decades, shut its doors last week.

It had in recent months become a deserted shell of its former self. The bar, like many in Louisville restaurants these days, stood empty all day.

Robert Mannion tried virtually everything to resuscitate his business.

He drastically cut the price of his once-popular Sunday buffet, began offering 2-for-1 deals on supper, and even started a Bart's newsletter, mailing it to every local address he could locate.

In each one, he included a coupon for 20 percent-off on meals. It didn't work.

I have written of Bart's before, to illustrate the pitfalls of nonsmoking ordinances of the type with which Denver now struggles. Should it be the city's or the restaurant operator's call on smoking?

Robert Mannion had lost 99 percent of his smoking clientele after the ordinance passed, he said, the folks who once filled the place on Fridays, on the weekend and, particularly, on game days.

Their loss, he acknowledged, was killing him. And without a viable bar business, he couldn't offset his food costs.

I sort of knew Bart's would never survive. After I wrote about him the first time, even his beer suppliers called or e-mailed me, saying their trade there was but a fraction of even two years ago.

In the bars and hangouts in the towns around Louisville, you bring up the name Bart's and people tell you how they used to go there, how they don't now, how they used to really kind of like the joint.

Robert Mannion at first remained hopeful. Sure, he said, business was off some 66 percent since the ordinance went into effect. And it wasn't a good thing.

I still remember the lost look in his eyes when I asked him how long he figured he'd hold out. He just patted my shoulder, breathed a deep sigh and said he didn't know.

It was just before noon when I pulled in front of the place in search of Robert Mannion. Only a large "Closed" sign stood behind the door. And a note:

"Due to circumstances beyond our control, Bart's is closed indefinitely. We thank you for your support and memories."

As I was jotting this down, Howard Rose, 52, walked up and tugged on the restaurant's front door. I told him the news.

"I didn't know," he said, almost crestfallen. He runs an industrial supply business just up the road, and ate at Bart's at least once a week.

"I am sensitive to cigarette smoke," Howard Rose said, "but I still came. I never had a real problem because Robert was always really good about separating the smoke in the nonsmoking area."

And then there was Frank Gregg. He'd been coming to Bart's with his wife twice a week. You know, the coupons and all.

"Gone. Closed its doors," he spat.

See, he knew the actual Bart, the guy who opened the place all those years ago, a man who gave him a job 17 years ago playing guitar just off the bar area.

"When I started playing, StorageTek was in its heydey, and Friday nights would be packed. Sixty to 80 people in the bar, alone."

Even when StorageTek began laying off workers, the place still would have half as many people in the door, he said.

And it would remain that way. Until the smoking ban arrived.

"I'll always love that place," Frank Gregg said softly. "It gave me the most wonderful thing I'll ever receive in my life."

He met his wife there.

I never did find Robert Mannion. Phone calls and e-mail have gone unreturned.

I remember him telling me only weeks ago, as we stood in his empty, eerily quiet bar, how he did feel better in recent months. That maybe the anti-smoking people had a point.

After more than a decade working and hustling about smokers in his restaurant, his clothes no longer reeked of cigarette smoke.

He truly believed, he said, he was breathing better.

See, I wanted to ask Robert Mannion what he was thinking today. Was it, on balance, worth it?

Or was it - allowing people to smoke in his restaurant - a call he'd rather have made?

Bill Johnson's column appears Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. Call him at (303) 892-2763 or e-mail him at johnsonw@RockyMountainNews.com


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To: Drew68
Actually, I do have a personal grudge against smokers who just insist on lighting up all the time, regardless of their surroundings - especially those who smoke in the no-smoking sections of resteraunts - BUT:

My personal feelings aside, I have always believed that it should be up to the business owner if he/she (for the PC crowd) allows smoking. The free-market ideal should take care of the decision.

If I have an alternative up the road that caters more to my needs and wantd, then that's where I go. If, as a non-smoker who really hates the smell of cigarette smoke, I don't want to be innundated with smoke, I don't go to businesses that allow it unless they have some way of truly separating the smoking from non-smoking. A smoker has the same choice - if a resteraunt does not allow smoking, he doesn't have to do business with that resteraunt.

Pretty simply - too bad the left thinks that government knows better than the citizens....
21 posted on 07/03/2003 11:51:10 AM PDT by TheBattman
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To: demsux
One would think that in light of recent rulings legalizing buggery that considerably more benign activities such as smoking could find protection under the law. But I doubt it will happen.
22 posted on 07/03/2003 11:51:51 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Focault's Pendulum
then hired the worse cooks possible.

How come he didn't send ME a job application?

23 posted on 07/03/2003 11:52:15 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
but maybe the food was lousy.
24 posted on 07/03/2003 11:54:18 AM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: Just another Joe
The anti-smokers are always saying that the non-smoking population will make up for the smokers staying away.

Two things:
1. "anti-smoker" is not the same as "anti-smoking"
2. That's an exaggerated, if not entirely baseless, generalization.

25 posted on 07/03/2003 11:58:31 AM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: TnMomofTwo
hmmm... it would be interesting to know the correlation between this kind of government interference in the legal operation of business and the climbing unemployment rates....

Do you think it's just labor costs and unions that are driving business to move their manufacturing operations overseas? We've had labor costs and the unions for a century, we've had the increasingly strangulating government regulation for the past 30 years (especially the past 15).

26 posted on 07/03/2003 12:00:59 PM PDT by templar
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To: Freedom4US
Actually, smoking does not affect the taste of food in any appreciable way, that is a myth.

I'm an ex-smoker (20 years). It isn't a myth.

It also affects your sense of smell, which is a large part of tasting and enjoying food.

27 posted on 07/03/2003 12:05:14 PM PDT by templar
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To: HarryDunne
"anti-smoker" is not the same as "anti-smoking"

If someone is trying to use the democratic process to take away a property owners tight to allow consumption of a legal commodity, it doesn't matter if you say pumpkin or punkin.
They're both the same.

That's an exaggerated, if not entirely baseless, generalization.

Which? That the anti-smokers say that or that the nonsmoking population will make up for the number of smokers?
Almost every smoking ban that has passed in the past 2 years, the controlling authority has been warned that the ban will be bad for business. Almost every time, the anti-smoking cabal has told the controlling authority to, in effect, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
The net result is that mom&pop establishments that have been in business for years go under leaving only the corporate establishments in business because they can afford some fall off in business. It's a tax writeoff.
Once the mom&pop establishments are out of the way the corporates come back up to normal only because they are the only game in town. A portion of the people that otherwise would have gone to a mom&pop establishment now have no other choice. They must frequent the corporate establishment if they want to go out at all.

28 posted on 07/03/2003 12:08:11 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Drew68
While I don't smoke, I think this nation, as a whole, has turned into a bunch of wussies.

I moved into a new neighborhood and my car was parked in the driveway but partly blocking the sidewalk. Now, 10 or 15 years ago, people walked around the car and back onto the sidewalk (and went on with their lives). Now, they want to sue you for the way in which you have your parked car in YOUR OWN DRIVEWAY.

When I go to a bar or a restaurant I expect smoke. This is probably why I don't get my panties in a bunch over the issue.

Smoking is a great American tradition. My clothes smell terrible when I get home, but that's what a washer is for.

Anyone who thinks it's bad in America should go to the U.K. for a week or two. Just about everyone smokes over there.

And, in fairness to smokers, at least in the U.S., most people I've run into go out of their way to find a place to smoke, where they feel they won't be bothering anyone.

Some of the most friendly people I've ever met smoke.

29 posted on 07/03/2003 12:09:28 PM PDT by tuna_battle_slight_return (Sine waves.)
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To: Drew68
Proposed protest slogan: JUST STAY HOME

Put it on every cig pack. Freedom-loving people don't want to associate with nico-nazis. All they gotta do is stay home en masse.
30 posted on 07/03/2003 12:14:22 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: Just another Joe
If someone is trying to use the democratic process to take away a property owners...

The definition of "anti-smoking" is "someone who is against smoking", period. To tack on the rest warps the definition.

You said "anti-smokers are always saying that the non-smoking population will make up for the smokers staying away."

which means they have no time to do anything else, since all of them are always talking. Use quantified, verifiable statistics instead of generalizations. Where do all of them always say that non-smokers will pick up the slack? Nowhere, because not all of them say it and it's physically impossible to talk non-stop.

31 posted on 07/03/2003 12:32:29 PM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: Just another Joe
Once the mom&pop establishments are out of the way the corporates come back up to normal only because they are the only game in town.

good point

32 posted on 07/03/2003 12:33:36 PM PDT by HarryDunne
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To: Just another Joe
then hired the worse cooks possible. How come he didn't send ME a job application?

Because you're a damn bartender!!!!

33 posted on 07/03/2003 12:35:04 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: templar
Nonsense! I'm a quitter too, several times, for years at a time, so I have plenty of experience as a 'non smoker' as well. Nicotine does reduce blood flow to the extremities, resulting in noticeably colder feet during the winter, but for me personally, there is no appreciable difference whatsoever. I suppose huffing a ciggie whilst dining would deaden taste buds, but that's a different issue.

Taste, after all, is a matter of taste. I tend towards german beer, belgian chocolate, south american coffee, etc. I find it amusing when others try telling me I have no sense of taste or smell, while they themselves ingest piss water beer, ersatz coffee and candle wax chocolate bars.
34 posted on 07/03/2003 1:09:42 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
And, in fairness to smokers, at least in the U.S., most people I've run into go out of their way to find a place to smoke, where they feel they won't be bothering anyone.

I try to be very aware of where my cigarette smoke is going and either sit on the end of a table or hold my cigarette away from non-smokers.

Of course, at the dive-bars I frequent, there is no such thing as a non-smoker. Everyone, patrons and employees alike are smokers.

35 posted on 07/03/2003 1:33:11 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
"Aristotle and the philosophers can say what they like, but there is nothing equal to tobacco: it's an honest man's habit, and anyone who can get on without it doesn't deserve to be living at all." - Molière
36 posted on 07/03/2003 1:37:04 PM PDT by Lexington Green
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To: tsmith130
Where'd all the non-smokers go that wanted this ban?

People who are very concerned with their health tend to avoid bars on principle. That is their perogative and I respect that.

Sitting in a bar drinking alcohol with other folks who are also drinking alcohol is an inherently unhealthy activity. But for many of us, it is an enjoyable activity where the blessings outweigh the risks.

These people supporting the ban have no intentions of patronizing bars. They have the mindset that "there is a rare but distinct possiblity that one day I might walk into a bar and it would be nice to not smell smoke."

37 posted on 07/03/2003 1:38:42 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Just another Joe
Almost every smoking ban that has passed in the past 2 years, the controlling authority has been warned that the ban will be bad for business.

But when the restaurant associations supports these bans it is support for regional bans knowing that local bans will hurt restaurants who will lose business to establishments located outside the ban zones.

The anti-smokers then use this resigned, luke-warm support from restaurant owners and exclaim enthusiastically that "See! Even the restaurant owners themselves want a ban!"

38 posted on 07/03/2003 1:49:51 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: templar
Exactly my point...ever-increasing government regulations are killing small businesses.

In this current example, the owner of the now closed restaurant said that the bar (alcohol) business helped cover the margins on the food. In a chain restaurant (i.e. Applebee's, Chili's, Rio Bravo, etc.), this may also be true, BUT...they won't shut down. They have more negotiating power with their respective vendors. They have more flexibility in the food choices they offer their customers. In other words, "big business" (aka the enemy of the left) ultimately thrives as a result of regulatory interference. They may have a short-term decrease, but the elimination of competition works to the benefit of these larger companies.
39 posted on 07/03/2003 2:47:17 PM PDT by TnMomofTwo
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To: TnMomofTwo
In other words, "big business" (aka the enemy of the left) ultimately thrives as a result of regulatory interference. They may have a short-term decrease, but the elimination of competition works to the benefit of these larger companies.

Very true. The same liberals who claim to despise 'big corporations' go out and regulate small businesses into unprofitability, and who remains? The big corporations that can afford to deal with the regulations. Liberals are fomenting exactly what they claim to despise.

40 posted on 07/03/2003 2:54:41 PM PDT by zoyd (My nameplate medallion says "Never Trust A HAL 9000")
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