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NAZI MAINE: House gives final OK to smoking ban in bars PUKES ONE AND ALL!
boston.com ^ | 6/3/2003 | Glenn Adams

Posted on 06/04/2003 5:03:23 AM PDT by SheLion

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: SheLion
Thanks for the link. I will take a look at it when I have time.

BTW, I am becomming a big fan of yours (and Flurry too!) maybe we should all get together and start our own PAC!
261 posted on 06/04/2003 11:44:42 AM PDT by CSM
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To: RightWhale
So the anarchists are trying a different approach to total power: The Law. Take a look!

2/3 of the representatives in Maine are anachrists ? Totally laughable. Since when did anarchists begin running for office ?

262 posted on 06/04/2003 11:46:01 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: CSM
when I went thru BC ('89) smoking was not allowed.

Then it happened sometime between '80 and '89.
I went through in '80 and it was allowed during normal break times.

263 posted on 06/04/2003 11:46:14 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: kevao
Exactly how many airmen have been lost to smoking since WWII? And how many airmen have been in combat since WWII?

It doesn't matter. The argument is lost based on yoru current talking points. Banning smoking in bot camp is obviously the first step toward a full ban. You folks need a new set of points your current set is failing miserably.

264 posted on 06/04/2003 11:48:03 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
It doesn't matter?
265 posted on 06/04/2003 11:49:55 AM PDT by kevao
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To: VRWC_minion
You folks need a new set of points your current set is failing miserably.

The preceeding was a recording made by VRWC_minion to be played as a counter to any argument for personal property rights.
All rights reserved to VRWC_minion, INC.

266 posted on 06/04/2003 11:50:37 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Myrddin
. I wonder what Buddy's does differently?

They probably invested a little money in a decent air filter system. You can get a really good system for under $500 that will do a good job on a 25'x25' space. Denny's is probably a bit bigger than that, so they would need more filters, but I generally find the smaller 'mom & pop' operations put more effort into nice things like this, as they need to differentiate themselves fomr the big chains to survive.

I hate smoke - it really does a number on my allergies. But as long as I could get a table in the non-smoking section, and the section was actually separate from the smoking section, I rarely had any inconvenience at all.

Now, here in Tucson, they have a smoking ban in restaurants, and I think there are efforts to extend this to the county and the whole state. Its been in place a few years, and the local eateries have mostly recovered any lost business and maybe even expanded business in some cases. But with the local growth, I think they would have seen business expansion anyway.

In the end, it really is somebody saying they know what's better for you, and imposing their will. In this case, I am not personally inconvenienced (I suppose I am actually convenienced), but I don't know that makes it any more right.

267 posted on 06/04/2003 11:50:52 AM PDT by AzSteven
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To: Just another Joe
Show me a link to the regulation that says there is no smoking in boot camp. Tell me the time frame when this was instituted.

I have provided you two links. Why are you so surprised ?

All I can say is I was in the Marine recruit office two weeks ago and my son's recruiter (who smoked outdoors BTW,) told him he would not be allowed to smoke and I read their material regarding boot camp and they were told they would not be smoking and the rules ban sending smoking materials.

268 posted on 06/04/2003 11:51:09 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: kevao
It doesn't matter?

Not to minion.
He hates the smell of tobacco smoke more than he loves freedom.

269 posted on 06/04/2003 11:51:26 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: VRWC_minion
You folks need a new set of points your current set is failing miserably.

And what points would you recommend? Support of private property rights and opposition to the nanny state works for me.

270 posted on 06/04/2003 11:51:42 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: SheLion
I've been a military dependant for years and my son-in-law is also Air Force stationed in Denver. And he SMOKES!

I'm not lying. There is no smoking in boot camp.

271 posted on 06/04/2003 11:52:12 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Just another Joe
Minion bolsters his argument by telling me that since WWII more airmen have been lost to second-hand smoke than to combat, and when I ask him how many that is, he says it doesn't matter. Am I missing something here?
272 posted on 06/04/2003 11:53:55 AM PDT by kevao
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To: SheLion
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Like the Air Force, the Navy only has one location for boot camp: The Great Lakes Naval Training Center, which is located on the western shore of Lake Michigan, halfway between Chicago and Milwaulkee. Unlike Air Force Basic Training, much of Navy Boot Camp is conducted indoors. Yep -- there's indoor marching and drill, the confidence course is indoors, and even weapons (Shotgun and pistol) are fired indoors. (This makes a lot of sense if you think about it -- much of Navy life and duty is spent inside a ship or submarine). The Recruit Training Command processes more than 54,000 recruits through Navy Boot Camp, per year.

As with Army and Air Force Basic Training, there are several things you should do in advance to prepare yourself for Navy Boot Camp. First and foremost is to get into some semblance of physical shape. I recommend you read and follow the U.S. Navy Personal Training Plan Booklet several weeks before you depart. You should also practice the rudiments of drill and ceremony, as well as memorize Navy rank and ratings.

Additionally, your recruiter should have told you to memorize the 11 General Orders for a Sentry, and the Navy Chain of Command, as it relates to a Naval Recruit.

As if that's not enough to study in advance, you should also learn the Navy Core Values. Navy Boot Camp is probably one of the most "classroom-intensive" of the four primary military services (including written tests!), so the more you can get out of the way in advance, the less you will be struggling with when the stress really hits the fan.

Also, as with the Army and Air Force, your recruiter will give you a list of what you should or should not bring with you to boot camp. Unlike the Army and Air Force, the Navy won't store your excess civilian clothing until the end of boot camp. After your first uniform issue, you'll be given a choice of sending your civilian clothing home (at your expense) or donating them to charity. Therefore, as far as civilian clothing is concerned, you should pack very, very light. Again, as with the Army and Air Force Basic Training, if it ain't on the list, don't bring it. If its on the "Do Not Bring" list, then definitely don't bring it.

Some Tips from a Shipmate

  • KNOW the 11 General orders.
  • KNOW all of the details pertaining to rate/rank recognition.
  • Learn how to make a rack (bed) with 45 degree corners.
  • Practice ironing military creases in a long sleeve, button down, collared shirt (which would be similar to the Utility shirts issued in Boot Camp)
  • I strongly suggest reading the Bluejacket's Manual. Pay particular attention to Damage Control, Seamanship, First Aid, Uniforms and Grooming, and History.
  • Memorize the phonetic alphabet.
  • Attend all DEP meetings!
  • Stay fit (or get fit). Jog, do push-ups, sit-ups, etc., The PT is not hard, but if you're in shape, it can be fun.
  • At least advance to E-2 by completing your DEP PQS. You may not care now, but I'll tell you, it sure is nice to graduate with a couple of stripes on your sleeve, instead of nothing. And, of course, it will help you out down the road!

Above contributed by SWCN Frey, a recent graduate of Navy Boot Camp

If you're a tobacco user, give it up. As with the other services, smoking, or the use of tobacco products is not allowed in boot camp. In fact, the Navy probably has the most restrictive tobacco policy in this sense. Smoking, or use of tobacco products is not allowed by anyone, either inside, outside, or within vehicles, on the Recruit Training Command Base (this includes visitors who may come to see you graduate).

If you don't know how to swim, try to learn before you leave for boot camp. Soon after you arrive, you'll be screened for swimming skills, and those that can't swim will have to undergo special instruction in the Kiddy Pool (General Advice: when in boot camp, it's always better not to require "special instruction" in anything). Actually, remedial swimming instruction is not that bad. Each cycle, several recruits show up at boot camp who can't swim, so this portion of the training is kind of "just another course," in many aspects. However, I have heard cases of phone priviledges being denied until week #6 for folks who failed the swim qualification test.

All military pay is done by "direct deposit." This means, in order to get paid, you must have a checking or savings account established at a financial institution. It's a *very* good idea to have an account with an ATM Card or Debit Card, so that you can access your money without writing a check. If you establish an account before you depart to Great Lakes, make sure you bring a deposit slip with you, so you can give the information (bank name, routing code, and account number) to the finance folks when you inprocess. If you don't have a bank account established before you depart, don't worry. You'll have an opportunity to open an account (you need to deposit $5.00 to open an account) at the Navy Federal Credit Union (NFCU) at Great Lakes. They have all the forms pre-filled out, and all you have to do is open the account, then give the form to the finance folks during inprocessing. You can also open an account with Armed Forces bank, but not both.


273 posted on 06/04/2003 11:54:06 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
I have provided you two links.

You provided me with one link that says you're not supposed to send tobacco products and one link that is observations.
If my CCs wouldn't have wanted us to smoke we would not have been allowed to smoke. Not because there was any regulation but because the CCs said we couldn't.
You haven't given me a link to the regulation.

Surprised? Not really.

274 posted on 06/04/2003 12:00:19 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: VRWC_minion
2/3 of the representatives in Maine are anachrists ?

Aha! This points out the problem. One of the problems. First, we don't see what is before our eyes. It's not necessary for everyone to be in on the deal. There would naturally be many to whom this slight alteration in the law seems very reasonable. Most of the 2/3 are in this camp. Even the one or two who introduced this modification to the law may be nothing more than unwitting carriers. That old saw about capitalists selling the rope used to hang them. But it's not just about capitalists versus whatever ideal system is supposed to replace capitalism. It is about most people not knowing or not caring about how their world is changing or whether it is changing too fast.

No, the 2/3 are not anarchists, but they do the work of the anarchists.

275 posted on 06/04/2003 12:01:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: honeygrl
And do you view the UN regulating personal habits worldwide as a good thing?

No but smokers are certainly giving them an issue to use.

276 posted on 06/04/2003 12:04:06 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Now, what web site did that come from?
Was it a Department of Defense website? Or was it some bull website about "Surviving Military Boot Camp"?

I'm not saying you're incorrect, or lieing, I'm just saying that you haven't been able to back up your assertations. On this as well as other things.

All you can say is, paraphrasing, "It's happening, it's going to continue happening, and it's because smokers are addicted and stink." but you can give no justification for it that even comes up to your own standards.

277 posted on 06/04/2003 12:05:28 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: ThinkDifferent
And what points would you recommend?

First they need a total makeover. I have suggested that their is little anger being directed at pipe and cigar smokers. If smokers could change their image they might have a fighting chance.

278 posted on 06/04/2003 12:07:31 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
No but smokers are certainly giving them an issue to use.

WHAT ISSUE?

The only issue that you have with this is you think tobacco smoke stinks.
What issue are smokers giving the UN to act on?

279 posted on 06/04/2003 12:07:43 PM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: kevao
Minion bolsters his argument by telling me that since WWII more airmen have been lost to second-hand smoke than to combat, and when I ask him how many that is, he says it doesn't matter. Am I missing something here?

Its not my argument. I sourced that material to prove that there was ban in boot camp.

Whether its true or not really doesn't matter because everyone buys into it. You folks need a new script.

280 posted on 06/04/2003 12:09:06 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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