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To: qam1
Obviously the more rabid a person is against smoking the more likely they are to send the survey back. The more a person doesn't care one way or they other the more they are likely to toss this survey along with their other junk mail in the garbage.

Sentance 1 is a conjecture, attemptng to indicate that anti-smokers are more likely to respond than any ohters, which is disputed by sentance 2 when you say "one way or the other". There is no evidence presented that make this obvious, or any reason ot think that the returns aren't representative; or that those rabidly one way or the other don't cancel each other out and those who don't care one way or the other are more likely to "likely to toss this survey along with their other junk mail in the garbage." Pairing the survey with junk mail and garbage (known as associating concepts) is an old trick to avoid any real facts or investigation of the validity of the survey.

3 posted on 06/01/2003 9:34:35 AM PDT by templar
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To: templar
Sentance 1 is a conjecture, attemptng to indicate that anti-smokers are more likely to respond than any ohters, which is disputed by sentance 2 when you say "one way or the other". There is no evidence presented that make this obvious, or any reason ot think that the returns aren't representative;

Nope, It even says so in the study

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"This study had limitations that should be considered when assessing the results. First, the sample was restricted to large apartment complexes in a single suburb in a large metropolitan area. It is unclear whether the results could be generalised to other communities. Second, the return rate of 65% was respectable, but it is low enough to raise a question about whether the sample was representative. Finally, there was no systematic method for selecting the adult in the household who would complete the survey."

Also the study included a building that was already smoke free, Obviously antismokers are more likely to be drawn to a smoke free building.

And by "One way or the other" I mean they probably don't smoke so they don't care if they the building went smoke free or not because it wouldn't effect them and they don't care enough to spend any amount of time filling out a silly survey .

or that those rabidly one way or the other don't cancel each other out and those who don't care one way or the other are more likely to "likely to toss this survey along with their other junk mail in the garbage."

There are more smokers than non-smokers, To many smokers are sheep and aren't rabid about anything, One building was already smoke free. So there was no cancelling each other out.

Pairing the survey with junk mail and garbage (known as associating concepts) is an old trick to avoid any real facts or investigation of the validity of the survey.

Junk by any other name is still junk. Plus I didn't just call it junk I presented 9 things that were wrong with this study

5 posted on 06/01/2003 9:54:45 AM PDT by qam1 (Compared to George Pataki -> Hillary Clinton and Grey Davis are ultra-right wingers)
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To: templar
#3....... Read the article again, by their own admission, the study is flawed.
14 posted on 06/01/2003 11:59:01 AM PDT by Great Dane
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