First of all, we've been debating on this thread so long that you've probably lost sight of the fact that I'm not in favor of 'gay rights' per se, but I support the right of individuals to live a self-directed life without needing the permission or approval of the government to live the life that makes them happy, assuming they (as an individual) do not commit any kind of force or fraud against others. Since this philosophy happens to encompass gays who are both human and American, I must also support their rights as equally as anyone elses.
When you ask why should we normalize homosexuality, what do you envision, some sort of formal proclamation?
Society is changing and part of that change is a greater acceptance of homosexuals. Trying to hold back the evolving opinion of society is like trying to hold back the wind. Whether you're opposed, support, or remain indifferent about gay rights I think is of little relevance.
Exactly. Things like removing support from organizations that don't allow homoerotic leaders. Creating homoerotic unions or allowing homoerotic "marriages." Mandating curricula about people with the homoerotic illness in schools. Making it a hate crime to tell somoene they can't spend time with your child because of their "sexual orientation." Changing the definition of psychiatry so that psychiatrists no longer have to treat this illness.
When it comes to laws, there are a bunch being written to persecute those who accept homoerotic behavior as a perversion than those who suffer from it. This, in itself, is a part of the disease. You brought up gun owners earlier, didn't you? Do you see gun owners trying to make it a crime to dislike guns or people who use them?
They are sick and any formal declaration made at any level, personal or public policy, should be based on their illness, not on accepting or "tolerating" them.
And, like it or not, your gentle effort to "live and let live" has helped to create the environment where their formal declarations become law. There is no middle ground in this battle, much as you would like there to be.
Shalom.
Which goes right back to Argee's question. Why should we normalize homosexuality? Rather than stating it as a fact (because it's not really) answer the question of why we should let it change this way.
You post replies with huge numbers of words but you never say anything. Why won't you just answer the question.
And once again you come out in favor of 'homosexuals' rights but won't define (as I've asked you to previously) what rights they don't have that I have.
Try answering a question once in a while. It makes for a much better discussion. Argee is right. We have not won a debate because you haven't debated anything. You've dodged almost every question.
Here is the key to tdadams mind - he believes in what I call "social Darwinism" - because it's happening, it's inevitable, therefore it must be better and improved, and therefore we must hurry it along.
The logic of this philosophy is the same as in this situation - I'm walking along a road, I realize it MIGHT not be the right way, but because I'm already headed in that direction, I start running, and I am too afraid to stop, get the guide book, get a map, and maybe admit I'm lost or even going in the opposite direction I should be going.
This philosophy is based on the false idea that whatever is "modern" is better, that society is always evolving to a better and higher state of existence. It's related to the "science is God" idea.