[churchillbuff]

In a sense he's right, if "sodomite" means not homosexual strictly, but a culture that has surrendered to sexual decadance. A booming business in abortion and slaughtered babies by the tub-full are evidence. Not something to celebrate.

[Travis McGee]

For a long time, the immorality of sodomy was regarded as so self-evident it didn't bear examination.

Exactly correct Andrew. And for some damn good reasons.

[weegee]

In September 1998, two men by the names of John Lawrence and Tyron Garner were having sex in their home in Houston, Texas. Without warning, police broke into Lawrence's home and found the two engaged in what Texas law calls sodomy. The police had been summoned by a neighbor who had complained about a man allegedly "going crazy" in Lawrence's house. Lawrence and Garner were arrested, held for 24 hours and subsequently fined $200 after pleading no contest to the charge of sexual deviation. The neighbor was subsequently convicted of filing a false police report. Lawrence and Garner then challenged the constitutionality of their conviction in the Texas Court of Appeals and the Texas Criminal Court of Appeals, claiming it violated their right to privacy and to equal protection of the laws.

He omits the detail that the third man was a homosexual lover of one of the two men. He also neglects to mention that the 2 men left their front door unlocked while they had sex. He also neglected to mention that the 2 men continued to have anal sex when the police entered the bedroom. They wanted to be witnessed in the act.

One article said that the men had a history of making false police calls against each other (possibly they attempted to get busted in the past unsuccessfully).

Someone else has told me that 2 of the men tried to challenge the courts on homosexual marriage in the past.

The police didn't "break" into the men's home. This article is so biased in its presentation of the facts as to be pure propaganda.

Who needs this RINO anyway? Elsewhere on FR someone has copied Sullivan's opus letter to the GOP.

[unixfox]

Without warning, police broke into Lawrence's home...

Looks like the police broke the law to me. Did they have a search warrant? They only had hearsay evidence that something was going on in the house.

I guess this means that if I don't like my neighbor I can simply call up the police and tell them my neighbors are having "unlawful" sex.

I don't agree with homosexuality, but I DEFINITELY don't agree with having sex police.

[jimt]

... love, friendship, passion and companionship...

Yes, all the omnipresent factors of a bathhouse bareback, or a men's room stall tryst, or a glory hole encounter at the adult bookstore.

Sorry, Mr. Sullivan, I ain't buyin' it. Homosexual behavior revolves around sex, lots of it, and not being too choosy about the object. "Love, friendship, passion and companionship" are all secondary, if not tertiary or quaternary considerations - and are often completely absent.

Maybe that's why we view homosexual relationships in such a poor light. (They should NOT, however, be illegal - just pitied.)

[Fzob]

bump for later

[RomanCatholicProlifer]

Andrew Sullivan has gone off of the deep end many years ago, this rambling now proves it. He, and other poor souls who are inclined to this deviancy, are so obsessed with lust, it has become their self identity, their self image.

What is next Andy, necrophillia? how about pederasty for boys 15 and up? Does anything go?

You need help Mr. Sullivan, get a life.

[AmericanVictory]

We respectfully disagree with Mr. Sullivan's contentions. The central element of most male homosexual relationships is "cruising." The opposite is stable heterosexual marriage. The latter is the foundation of societies that prosper, the former is the bane of civilizations and always attendant upon their decline.

[r9etb]

The most obvious question surrounding Lawrence vs Texas relates to a matter more fundamental than constitutional law. And it's a simple one: what is actually wrong with sodomy? Why is it immoral? And why is it therefore still illegal in thirteen states in the U.S. and in many countries around the world?

Nope. Rick Santorum asked the real question: if it is not within a state's purview to legislate against sodomy, is it within the state's purview to legislate on any sexual practice?

Sullivan's answer would have to be "no," because if he answers "yes" to any particular practive, then his position with respect to sodomy collapses. If sexual "privacy" is protected, there can be no exception.

This takes us to uncomfortable places. Several years ago, for instance, some Dallas policemen were fired because they had practiced bestiality. Would this case allow them to sue?

Similarly, laws against polygamy, incest (between consenting, related, adults), and so on are out the window.

The gay agenda is focused on achieving a particular end. But, in typical narcissistic fashion, they fail to look beyond their own bottom line to the wider implications of their quest.

Sullivan spent a lot of words -- but he missed the real point.

[Porterville]

Man, this guy loves soddomy...I have never seen such a long arguement about but love...of course I don't care...but his passion is an amazing testement to his mental gymnastics to his system of belief...of course, I know that soddomy is unnatural by it's very nature...so no matter how passionate you are about addiction, you are still just an addict to crack....no pun intended.

[Porterville]

You know another thing, as much as I love my male friends, I can never imagine having some sexual attraction to them, it just isn't normal...take it to the logical extent what a sexaul relationship between to men entail...I mean, men look funny naked already...(and a little bit gross and hairy)...I know I'm no beuaty Queen and I know no man is as pretty as me...so, I don't care what folks want to do with each other; we are just souls in a husk of flesh, men and women equaly...but how weak does your mind have to be, to wanting to be dominated by your brothers??? Or even your sister??? You power and squander it on ideas that seem to be little more than obsessions that one feels need justification that society dismisses outright. In otherwords, NOBODY CARES ANDREW EXCEPT THE GAY AND THOSE IN THE CLOSET WITH THEIR OBSESSIONS LIKE THE PRETTY SENATOR

[Eva]

I don't understand why the conviction was not overturned due to the illegal entry into the private residence. I don't see how it is legal for the police to enter a private home with no evidence of a crime in progress, but the neighbors word for it. I mean if I call the police and tell them that my neighbor is dealing crack out of a trailer on the side of the house. The police would either have to stake out the place or get a search warrant.

[Rummyfan]

Speak for yourself Andrew!