Pub Owners, Patrons Scapegoated

Independent Media Center, Ireland ^ | Tuesday February 18, 2003 | Watchdog

[Just another Joe]

I'm not sure if this person is for smokers or against smokers but they sure do bring out some interesting points.

[dighton]

I'm not sure if this person is for smokers or against smokers . . . .

I'm not sure if this thing is in English.

[Just another Joe]

Oh, it's in english, but it's a far cry from the usual article.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

This sounds like(pc)enviromentalist bunk,much the same thing when a fire marshall or arson investigator can't find the real cause of a fire.THEY JUST BLAME IT ON SMOKING!

[metesky]

Indy Media = Anti-Capitalist Commies.

Forty years of warnings on cig packs does not equal ignorance.

My Seneca cigarette pack says, "100% Pure Tobacco".

[Servant of the Nine]

Tin Foil Hat alert

Eeeevvil Tobacco companies have secretly doctored their products with toxins prepared by BIG OIL which is also the only reason we are going to war in Iraq.

So9

[Just another Joe]

I agree with you that just because you don't know exactly what is in a prefabricated cigarette doesn't equal ignorance.
Does that mean that they know that smoking 100% tobacco causes all the same things that smoking prefabricated cigarettes does?

Your Seneca pack says 100% pure tobacco but does a normal cigarette pack list all the additives they put in?
That was one of the reasons that I started stuffing my own.

[Just another Joe]

I'm not so worried about 'big oil' doctoring the cigarettes but it does seem a little strange that cigarette packs don't have to list any of the additives in the cigarettes, doesn't it?

[Just another Joe]

I also think that the author started this out the way he did to grab attention.

"Big OIl, top impetus for Blair and Bush plan for illegal Iraq Invasion, is PART of the cigarette industry." Sort of screams for tin foil, doesn't it.

[Just another Joe]

But read the rest of the article and there are some good points in it.
Not so much the tin foil stuff but things like, "Documentation about alleged harms of the ostensible target, tobacco (as opposed to processed cigs), has never been brought to a court or legislature".

[Madame Dufarge]

After running this through Babelfish, I think what he's saying is that he's all for lawyers suing everyone, the sky's the limit.

That smokers are st-o-o-o-pid, because evil corporations are pouring oil into their cigarettes and Mr. Natural is still pissed about that paraquat thing.

I think.

[Just another Joe]

Mr. Natural is still pissed about that paraquat thing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Just another Joe]

You gotta stop that, Madame.
You're gonna have me peeing my pants before I can get home to change 'em..

[Servant of the Nine]

I'm not so worried about 'big oil' doctoring the cigarettes but it does seem a little strange that cigarette packs don't have to list any of the additives in the cigarettes, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. The govt. exempted them from FDA control and requirements back when the FDA was founded before WW I. That is because they loved the tax money they generated.
They fall through the cracks now between the authority of various agencies, so no one has the power to require content labeling.

Besides, if you are so dumb you don't know they will kill ya, then you are too dumb to read the package.

So9

[Madame Dufarge]

But that's OK, Joe.

It's a natural function, after all.

Let's just try to keep our eye on the ball, OK?

[Great Dane]

I'm not sure if this person is for smokers or against smokers but they sure do bring out some interesting point

I was about to say the excact same thing, can't figure out if this person is coming or going.

[Great Dane]

I'm not so worried about 'big oil' doctoring the cigarettes but it does seem a little strange that cigarette packs don't have to list any of the additives in the cigarettes, doesn't it?

Could be because they claim there is 4.000 chemicals in cigarettes......... a tad hard to put on a package, or could it be .... if they did list the poisons, they would have to admit to a lot fewer. ?

[aculeus]

The morning newspaper, made from tree pulp, is far more closely a Ponderosa Pine than the stuff in a typical cigarette is tobacco.

Pulp fiction.

Uses of ponderosa pine:

modern - doors, windows, furniture, paneling, shelving

traditional - seeds/inner bark: food; wood: dugout canoes; pitch: waterproofing, ointment

Source:

http://www.bcadventure.com/adventure/wilderness/forest/ponderosa.htm

[Gabz]

I'm with you - hard to decide which side the writer is on.

But one thing he is totally correct about is the money involved in the anti-smoker industry - much of it does come from the pharmaceutical industry. But we all know that.

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