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Groups question tobacco ban: Measure would make it a misdemeanor crime to sell or use product
Grand Forks Herald ^
| Jan 15, 2003
| Associated Press
Posted on 01/15/2003 6:37:33 PM PST by Max McGarrity
BISMARCK - Health groups that discourage smoking lined up Tuesday to fight legislation what would make North Dakota the first state to outlaw tobacco, a stand that left some lawmakers perplexed.
The measure, introduced by Rep. Michael Grosz, R-Grand Forks, would make it a misdemeanor crime to sell or use tobacco. Sellers would face up to a year in jail and a $2,000 fine, while casual smokers or smokeless tobacco users could go to jail for 30 days and be fined $1,000.
"The education approach is obviously not working in North Dakota," he said. "Should we not prohibit the sale and use of tobacco just because it may be difficult to enforce, and let nearly 1,000 North Dakotans die every year?"
Bruce Levi, director of the North Dakota Medical Association, called the measure "novel," but said it "introduces an approach to tobacco control that has not been proven effective or even implemented in any other state."
"Our goal is to prevent and reduce tobacco use. There is scientific evidence to support the programs that are beginning to move forward in North Dakota," Levi said. "Prohibition has not been shown to prevent tobacco use."
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: butts; cigarettes; cigars; prohibition; pufflist; smokingbans; tobacco; wodlist
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To: Hunble
They don't want the MONEY cut off.
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posted on
01/15/2003 8:00:11 PM PST
by
GailA
(Throw Away the Keys)
To: Max McGarrity
I might be misreading this, but that has never stopped me before.
It looks like this might be a ruse to call their bluff.
Everybody knows they ain't gonna give up the cig money.
By sponsoring this bill and then having the anti's fight it, aand of course defeat it. It would take some legs from their movement.
I have found that this technique even works quite well on this board. ;^)
What do ya think?
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posted on
01/15/2003 8:10:27 PM PST
by
dtel
(Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
To: *Wod_list
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posted on
01/15/2003 8:49:56 PM PST
by
Djarum
To: Grammy
I have thought for a long time that we smokers should have a one day strike, a-la the euro-socialists (or a two day one a-la the ge workers)just to show the world who we are.
WE HERE, WE'RE SMOKING, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!
(with apoligies to the gay lobby)
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posted on
01/15/2003 8:59:27 PM PST
by
jocon307
To: dtel
I think you might be right. I didn't post it because it didn't apply, but at the end of that article in "other news," we find that Rep. Mark Dosch, R-Bismarck, is sponsoring legislation to require state agencies to prepare an economic impact statement before they adopt new rules that would have an adverse effect on small businesses. The measure defines a small business as one with fewer than 25 full-time workers. That would have an effect on smoking bans should this bill pass while the antis are busy worrying about the first one.
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posted on
01/15/2003 9:07:25 PM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: Grammy
one word of caution.....RETRIBUTION from the feds or states might be too much too bear!
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posted on
01/15/2003 9:19:58 PM PST
by
B4Ranch
To: Max McGarrity
That'll work as well as prohibition did. Why do liberals hate liberty? Why aren't liberals "pro choice" on tobacco use, guns, SUVs, etc?
To: Max McGarrity
Health groups that discourage smoking lined up Tuesday to fight legislation what would make North Dakota the first state to outlaw tobacco, a stand that left some lawmakers perplexed.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
It's all aboot the MOOONEY!
Now we start to see where the anti groups are REALLY coming from.
I'll try to do some research on this guy and see if he's actually trying to prohibit tobacco or just trying to out the antis.
To: Max McGarrity
"Prohibition has not been shown to prevent tobacco use."Or alcohol use, or drug use.
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posted on
01/16/2003 7:13:38 AM PST
by
MrLeRoy
To: Just another Joe; *puff_list; Max McGarrity
The Taxation committee just released the bill from committee with a 9-4 vote.
It is scheduled for full debate next week...........
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posted on
01/16/2003 8:53:41 AM PST
by
Gabz
(Keep the servers running, become a FReeper Donor today)
To: dtel
What do ya think?I think you're right on the mark, force the ANTI's to say, show me the money.
To: Gabz
The Taxation committee just released the bill from committee with a 9-4 vote.That'a a 9-4 vote FOR prohibition?
I'll be following this one with interest.
To: Great Dane
Show me the money.
After they have been exposed, if they file suit, these results would be part of the public record.
"Why should you follow the ANTI agenda and reward them, when they fought the chance to outright ban tobacco."
Could be a pretty compelling argument in court.
Then again, it could be too smart by half.
Clip and save for future reference.
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posted on
01/16/2003 9:52:00 AM PST
by
dtel
(Texas Longhorn cattle for sale at all times. We don't rent pigs)
To: Max McGarrity
Why not? Its working for the Drug War.
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posted on
01/16/2003 9:52:01 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: Wolfie
Why not? Its working for the Drug War.Ah, you sly dog, er wolf, you.
So much sarcasm in one little line.
To: Wolfie
Wolf, regardless what you might think, I'm not your enemy.
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posted on
01/16/2003 10:50:11 AM PST
by
Max McGarrity
(Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
To: Max McGarrity
I was making a joke at Rep. Grosz's expense (who is, I think, having a laugh at the anti-msokers' expense. Sort of a "put up or shut up" proposal, IMHO).
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posted on
01/16/2003 10:55:11 AM PST
by
Wolfie
To: Wolfie
BUMP!
To: Max McGarrity
The measure, introduced by Rep. Michael Grosz, R-Grand Forks, would make it a misdemeanor crime to sell or use tobacco. Sellers would face up to a year in jail and a $2,000 fine, while casual smokers or smokeless tobacco users could go to jail for 30 days and be fined $1,000. WTF ????? A Republican is pushing for this ?
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posted on
01/16/2003 11:04:00 AM PST
by
Centurion2000
(Darth Crackerhead)
To: dtel
After they have been exposed, if they file suit, these results would be part of the public record. This is a most delicious turn of events. :-}
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