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To: Just another Joe
ok, cig smoke is poisoness. they proved it. drinking or inhalling amonia is also poisoness. they proved that. regardless of if you smoke or are around someone else who is, you are breathing the same air.

need more proof aside from health that its bad?

smoke devalues property. cars, houses, boats... only 70 percent of what the same car/boat/house would get without smoking.

smoking costs money. upwards of 2000-5000 a year for the average smoker. that doesnt include chain smokers, and people who smoke more than one pack a day.

smoing costs time. busisnesses lose productive time letting smokers have 5-20 mins a day just to go outside and light up. thats 1250 mins on the low side annual. (and yet they get the same pay as non-smokers, costing even more money)

smokers have to pay more on health insurance.

smoking causes dental troubles. raising dental costs also.

smoking leads to heart disese, lung cancer, and throat cancer.

people in their 40s can lose the ability to talk because of smoking.

a hole, called a stoma has to ripped into there neck just so they can talk (and smoke).

still not convinced its bad? apparently smoking causes brain dysfunction too then. i agree with the bill, that does not make me someone who thinks the govnt should run or lives; that makes me someone who thinks people who dont know whats good for themselves shouldn'trun our lives. (or their own for that matter)
61 posted on 10/17/2002 11:20:15 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: MacDorcha
ok, cig smoke is poisoness. they proved it. drinking or inhalling amonia is also poisoness. they proved that. regardless of if you smoke or are around someone else who is, you are breathing the same air.

They have proved that smoking cigarettes is a RISK FACTOR in SOME diseases. Salt is poisonous. Water is poisonous. It's all in the dose.
They have NOT proven that Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS, second hand smoke) is a health factor to ANYONE that doesn't have a pre-existing medical condition. The largest study done to date, by the World Health Organization, failed to find a statistical hazard.

smoke devalues property. cars, houses, boats... only 70 percent of what the same car/boat/house would get without smoking.

Bull, point me to the study that says this.

smoking costs money. upwards of 2000-5000 a year for the average smoker. that doesnt include chain smokers, and people who smoke more than one pack a day.

Ever hear of race car driving? That costs money too AND it's more dangerous than smoking.
It's MY money to spend and I'll spend it on whatever I want to that's not illegal.

smoing costs time. busisnesses lose productive time letting smokers have 5-20 mins a day just to go outside and light up. thats 1250 mins on the low side annual. (and yet they get the same pay as non-smokers, costing even more money)

Already addressed this.

smokers have to pay more on health insurance. smoking causes dental troubles. raising dental costs also.

Already addressed this also.

smoking leads to heart disese, lung cancer, and throat cancer.
people in their 40s can lose the ability to talk because of smoking.
a hole, called a stoma has to ripped into there neck just so they can talk (and smoke).

People are not all alike. I know all about this as my grandfather had this condition due to cancer of the vocal cords. Never smoked a day in his life so don't tell me that smoking CAUSES anything in and of itself. It's a risk factor not a given.

that makes me someone who thinks people who dont know whats good for themselves shouldn'trun our lives. (or their own for that matter)

My first reaction to this is to let you know that your totalitarian leanings are showing through.
My second reaction is to let you know that smokers are not trying to run the antismoker's life, the antismokers ARE, however, trying to run the smoker's life, and the lives of business owners.

65 posted on 10/17/2002 11:52:14 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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MacDorcha

MacDorcha signed up 2002-08-17.

We have another one is who all ME ME ME and is an anti to the 9th degree! Maybe between all of us, we can show him the truth? If not, he will just keep on with his cancerous lies within his own community where he lives.

Georgia has been pretty quiet. But if there are people there that think and act like this one, Georgia Smokers are in for a lot of grief.

69 posted on 10/17/2002 2:22:55 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: MacDorcha
From under what foul rock did you crawl? Every asinine statement you posted in this putrid message is wrong!! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!! And you're an idiot if you believe any of it. You say you're 18 and won a scholarship to college? Un-frickin-believable! You can't spell, your grammar sucks, you can't string a thought together with any clarity, and someone is PAYING for you to go to college??? Sheesh!
107 posted on 10/17/2002 9:33:06 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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