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Group Claims It Has Pictures Of Davis Taking Illegal Contribution
The Mercury News ^ | Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002 | Mercury News Wire Services

Posted on 10/08/2002 1:38:44 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:49 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The executive director of a law enforcement group that endorses Republican gubernatorial nominee Bill Simon said today he had two photos showing then Lt. Gov. Gray Davis accepting a campaign contribution in his state Capitol office -- in violation of the law.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; davis
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To: Lichgod
these photos look like someone cut the two men and check out of one picture and pasted them into another.

I...don't think so. Look carefully at the perspective. If it is a cut and paste...it is from two seperate photos of the men and two seperate photos of the background. The smaller photo was taken by the same camera a few feet to the left of the larger one.

The effect you see could easily be from a properly angled or diffused flash unit.

101 posted on 10/08/2002 3:53:26 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Carry_Okie
I bow to your greater knowledge. I hope like hell it is real.
102 posted on 10/08/2002 3:55:42 PM PDT by paul544
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To: BlessedBeGod
I agree with your analysis. In the blow-up especially of the top (sharper - not over-flashed) photo, you can see individual hairs from both men's heads, and individual hairs from Angele's beard, clearly overlapping the background. Either these photos are real, or the person who faked them is at the very top of his craft.

Congressman Billybob

103 posted on 10/08/2002 3:57:27 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Re#91 Agreed. That art piece is one of a kind. The "High Public Official" may not be able to worm his way out of this one. Indeed, that letter has not yet been released and will, like with the Torch's Chang letter, shine a little more detail under this Rat's rock. Hopefully, it will have a like effect (putting aside the substitution of candidates)..
104 posted on 10/08/2002 3:57:50 PM PDT by eureka!
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To: fight_truth_decay
then he send them to the la times they would be sure to publish them /sarcasm
105 posted on 10/08/2002 4:00:01 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: paul544; Impeach98
It ain't that much greater in terms of photo editing, but I have done machine vision system setup, lighting, and image processing that helps me understand what is happening with digital photography. I don't pass as a legal "expert."

One thing Impeach98 knows, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to call it a fake if I thought it was one. I think it's genuine and will happily talk to someone at length as to why.
106 posted on 10/08/2002 4:00:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm on board with thinking it's real. But even if you're uncertain (which technically in today's digital age we can't be 100% certain). Just look at the way the RATs reacted. They show pictures of Gray's office as it is today and say see they aren't the same.

As I stated earlier either Gray or the other guy knows where that photo was taken. It would be easier for them to say see this is the NON-gov't office located at X location. Since they haven't done that AND the photo appears genuine, I think we have our RAT cornered.

107 posted on 10/08/2002 4:04:00 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: for-q-clinton
The DAMNED $6,000 PIECE OF MODERN ART WILL IDENTIFY THE OFFICE. THERE ARE NOT TWO OF THESE THINGS. EITHER IT WAS IN DAVIS' OFFICIAL OFFICE IN SACRAMENTO, OR IT WASN'T. There have to be literally hundreds of photo-ops with ordinary people in that office. If the art work was there in 1998, then unless some CIA-level photo doctoring was done, these photos are genuine.

And if the photos are genuine, then Davis and the other guy (who now works in the Davis Administration) are liars and criminals.

Billybob

108 posted on 10/08/2002 4:08:41 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
I must have missed this on the news. Now if it had been a Republican . . .
109 posted on 10/08/2002 4:13:16 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: fight_truth_decay
This story is about to run on L.A. ABC news within the next few minutes.
110 posted on 10/08/2002 4:13:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Please let us know what they say...
111 posted on 10/08/2002 4:17:20 PM PDT by eureka!
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To: Lichgod
To me, these photos look like someone cut the two men and check out of one picture and pasted them into another. Look closely along the edges of the men.

Yes. On the first, the entire date stamp is on the coat. On the second, only the "1" is on the coat as the rest has be cropped.

112 posted on 10/08/2002 4:23:13 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: fight_truth_decay
This should be easy to prove or disprove. Get the negatives.

In the wrongful death trial brought by the Ron Goldman family, the years-old negatives of O.J. Simpson wearing those Bruno Magli "ugly a** shoes" that he said he would not wear even if he owned them proved he was guilty of the murders he for which he was acquitted.

If the COPS guy who came up with these pics can't produce a negative, Simon's toast.

However, if this does turn out to be slanderous, and the Davis camp DOESN'T go after the guy who supplied the pics, I would bet dollars to donuts that Demo hit man Mulholland set this whole deal up. That slimebag is capable of anything. Remember what he did to Herschensohn.

113 posted on 10/08/2002 4:31:46 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: fight_truth_decay
California Organization of Police and Sheriffs is an ultra left organization with only a handfull of members set up in the 70s by a left wing State Senator and shouldn't be trusted any farther than you could throw them!
114 posted on 10/08/2002 4:35:59 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: cinFLA
Yes. On the first, the entire date stamp is on the coat. On the second, only the "1" is on the coat as the rest has be cropped.

Look closer to the right. the color doesn't show up as good with the different color background.

115 posted on 10/08/2002 5:06:44 PM PDT by for-q-clinton
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116 posted on 10/08/2002 5:16:26 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Impeach98
Photos not showing up!

Too much traffic at the Web site?

117 posted on 10/08/2002 5:22:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: smith288
Sure looks like a fake to me. It has that weird doctored feel to it.

The lighting is the key. The men are lit strongly from above, plus there's some fill lighting coming from the sides and even from slightly behind them. No single flash could do that.

The rest of the room looks like it just had the regular ambient lighting plus a flash. If this is the case, then there are two different lighting setups within the same picture, and that's not possible.

Also, I wonder how hard it would be to add a few stray hairs here and there with a good digital photo editor? My guess -- and it's no more than a guess -- is that it wouldn't be too hard.

118 posted on 10/08/2002 5:27:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
See Posts 73 and 84.
119 posted on 10/08/2002 5:29:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Photos not showing up!

Too much traffic at the Web site?

See also this SMALLER image, from http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/100802_NW_DAVIS.html:

Davis Accused of Illegal Funds

   The California Organization of Police and Sheriffs claimed the photos show Davis taking a check in his Capitol office, in violation of state law.
The California Organization of Police and Sheriffs claimed the photos show Davis taking a check in his Capitol office, in violation of state law.
LOS ANGELESA group allied with Republican Bill Simon released two photos Tuesday purporting to show then-Lt. Gov. Gray Davis illegally accepting a campaign contribution, but the veracity of the photos was quickly questioned.

The California Organization of Police and Sheriffs claimed the photos show Davis taking a check in his Capitol office, in violation of state law.

But the man pictured holding a check at Davis' side denied he ever set foot in Davis' office and an Associated Press inspection found no resemblance between the existing lieutenant governor's office-- which has not moved or been significantly altered --and the room shown in the photos.

Davis aides also strongly denied the charge.

"This is a bogus charge, this is a trumped-up charge and this is not the lieutenant governor's office," said top Davis strategist Garry South. "There's nothing in this office that was in the lieutenant governor's office. Not the artwork, not the doors, not even the carpet. Bogus," he said.

South said Davis was not even in Sacramento when the photos were purportedly taken but at an event with then-Vice President Al Gore in Pacoima _ a claim born out by a newspaper report from the time.

Simon made the original accusation of illegal fund-raising by Davis on Monday, causing a stir after the gubernatorial candidates met for their first debate when he told a crowded press conference he had evidence.

The evidence turned out to be a letter from COPS, one of his main backers, to the state's political watchdog group, and the photos released Tuesday.

At a campaign stop in North Hollywood on Tuesday afternoon, Simon at first stood by his claim.

"Gray Davis and his staff are not dumb. They knew they were accepting a campaign check in a government office that was against the law," he said in prepared remarks.

Under questioning by reporters he backed down.

"We'll let the (Fair Political Practices Commission) decide. They make the findings. I'm not the tribunal here," he said.

The nearly identical photos are date-stamped Jan. 31, 1998, when Davis was running for his first term as governor. They show Davis in an office standing next to Al Angele, then executive director of COPS. Angele and Davis are both holding a corner of a $10,000 check COPS donated to Davis.

Monty Holden, current executive director of COPS, which broke bitterly with Davis to back Simon, told reporters Tuesday that the office Angele and Davis are in is the lieutenant governor's office at the Capitol.

California law makes it a crime to deliver or receive a contribution in state office buildings. The statute of limitations is four years for criminal prosecutions and five years for fines by the Fair Political Practices Commission.

"We believe Gov. Gray Davis has broken the law," Holden said.

Angele denied that the photos, which he said he hadn't seen, were taken in Davis' Capitol office.

"I don't have to see it to tell you it was not the lieutenant governor's office. I've never been in the lieutenant governor's office," said Angele, now a Davis appointee to the state Board of Prison Terms.

Simon acknowledged that his campaign, which gave COPS $100,000 to appear on its slate mailer, had not sought to verify the authenticity of the photographs. He said that was the responsibility of the FPPC.

"Some things have to be proven _ testimony and investigation. I haven't done that," he said.

It wasn't clear where the photos were taken or who took them. Angele said he wasn't sure and South said the governor hadn't seen them and "has no recollection of this whatsoever."

COPS legally delivered the check to the governor's campaign office in Los Angeles, but the photo does not show that transaction, Davis aides said.

South said he and Angele retained lawyers to consider possible legal action against COPS for libel. He also said Simon should follow the lead of Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., who dropped out of his re-relection contest under an ethics cloud, and withdraw from the race.

Copyright © 2002 KABC-TV and the Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

Last Updated: Oct 8, 2002

120 posted on 10/08/2002 5:33:24 PM PDT by RonDog
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