A Reply to Chris Bacon: A Liberal’s Desperate Campaign to Smear Freepers

10-04-2002 | Republican_strategist

[dighton]

Thou shalt have no other gods before me (purely christian)
Thou shalt not worship any graven image (purely christian)
Thou shalt not take God's name in vain (purely christian)
Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy (purely christian)

Well, no. You might want to look up someone called Moses, from way before the birth of Christ.

[Thinkin' Gal]

the only reason I point this out is to show that it doesnt take a liberal jerkoff to find fault with the 10 commandment being posted in federal buildings (although they already are)

So close your eyes and think of Christmas.

[Mo1]

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[willyone]

Maybe you can do better. If you want to contribute fine. Otherwise shut up. No one has to be a jounalism major to post here.

[Lizard_King]

What a sad little collection of leftism. I believe it is more self-satirizing than insulting to FR...

I still think the best dissection of why Communism and Fascism are different sides of the same coin came from FA Hayek in his earthshaking "The Road To Serfdom", published immediately after WWII.

[iopscusa]

Thanks for the info...I think we do need to keep our eyes open and swords sharp against this type of posting (Chris Bacon)...time to put the hammer down!

[Cacique]

btt

[hosepipe]

Irrelevant

[ffrancone]

Well, I agree, but there are those who call themselves 'conservative' who really get off on the idea of government beating up on people they dislike but are too cowardly to beat up on themselves; or who want the government to implement a 'Christian' society, or to forcefully bring back a 'Norman Rockwell' America that never existed in the first place.

You have an immensely vivid imagination. It is no more rooted to the reality of Evangelical Christians than Hillary Clinton's mad muttering about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

[Grut]

It is no more rooted to the reality of Evangelical Christians...

I wasn't thinking of Evangelicals so much as the sort of FR poster who thinks school prayer is dandy so long as it plugs Judeo-Christianity (but never Islam!), or who wants the law never to confict with the Ten Commandments.

I have known some Evangelical Christians who were both tolerable and tolerant; not all of them are that way, unfortunately.

[Johnny Shear]

I would have never heard of this place if not for your post. Plus, I went to the site and the message board has about 25 messages...Literally.

I'm all for battling it out with the enemy (DUhhhh) but this dude just isn't worth the time...

[Bacon Man]

Don't ya just love liberals? They champion free speech yet shout down conservatives who exercise it, blame inanimate objects for the actions of individuals and continue to pursue a form of government that has failed miserably every every time it's tried. It like a lemming thinking "Well, all my fellow lemmings jumped off this cliff and splattered on the rocks below but I'm sure that won't happen to me." But the worse thing about this particular liberal is that he as sullied the name of my favorite pork product and that won't stand!

[=Intervention=]

I think you would really be scared of some of the laws that were on the books in the 19th, 18th century in America. Yet laws against homosexuality, against swearing, against bigamy, against public consumption of liquor survived and somehow the republic of America did not end. You might call those laws 'implementing a Christian society' but that simply shows your ignorance of Christianity. (Laws cannot save -- that's one of the fundamental truths of Christianity. So how can obeying a law make one more or less Christian? Uhm...) Laws raise the bar on what is acceptable public behavior. We have let the bar slip low and then wonder why our nation is in chaos.

[=Intervention=]

Hmm. Was there any talk about *enforcing* the Ten Commandments as law? Have you ever heard anyone propose that? How would that be, since all American laws have to be drafted by a legislative body and then signed into law by the executive branch head?

[=Intervention=]

Absolutely true!

[HighWheeler]

"With NAZIs and Fascists on the Right,..."

Well, the Nazi's and Fascists were on the left. These Socialists stood just to the right of communism.

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"[Adolf Hitler on Nazism and socialism:] "Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism--not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper."

"Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings."

Adolf Hitler to Hermann Rauschning, quoted in The Ominous Parallels, by Leonard Peikoff C. 1982

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Any Questions?

[teresat]

I had crisp bacon on a blt today.

[HighWheeler]

"...there are those who call themselves 'conservative' who really get off on the idea of government beating up on people they dislike but are too cowardly to beat up on themselves; or who want the government to implement a 'Christian' society, or to forcefully bring back a 'Norman Rockwell' America that never existed in the first place. "

Maybe you can list some real examples of these conservatives?

[marron]

Any Questions?

The right-left model is something that the totalitarians use to describe themselves. Fascists on the right, communists on the left. I'm willing to accept their description of themselves. But, as you say, there is little practical difference between the two.

My point is that the old assumption that conservatives and libertarians are somewhere right of center of that continuum is false; the idea that believers in democracy are at the center, halfway between fascism and communism, is false. If you believe in liberty, you are not part of that model. If communism is on the left and fascism on the right, all that is at the "center" is just some blend of the two, which are not that different in any case.

Classic liberals should not allow themselves to be so characterized as "center" or "right of center".