After the (smoke filled) air clears

Sacramento Bee ^ | September 4, 2002 | By Cynthia Hubert

[SheLion]

You should be ashamed of yourself, trying to palm-off these socialist sources on a conservative website.

Good Show!!!!!!!!!!! HIGH FIVE!!!

[altair]

Sure didn't take a lot of posts before the "N" word got out...

Read this.

[supercat]

What the smoking nazis...

Sure didn't take a lot of posts before the "N" word got out...

One of the major tenets of National Socialism was that business owners could keep ownership of their businesses, but must run them as the government decreed. That, along with a disregard for personal liberties, and the (as someone else noted and I'd previously been unaware) hatred of tobacco together seem to make the 'N' word fit.

[Jaidyn]

I can't imagine why the anti-smoking crowd is so eager to get into the smoking establishments. Is it because they are much more fun? Cheaper? If they got their way here in Ohio, the party would be over for them as soon as they take over because they aren't any fun at all! I seldom go into our bar anymore and my other half never smoked a cigarette in his life. All the barmaids smoke and he will just close the place if a ban were put in place, after fighting tooth and nail against these idiots. Perhaps the revenue is 'up' per bar in California because there are fewer bars.

[Just another Joe]

And it's STILL not about health.
It's about the personal property rights of the business OWNER.

The slippery slide, the downhill slide, the boiling frog, whatever you want to call it, it's taking away personal property rights.
Once you give them away for one thing you take the BIG risk of giving them away for everything.

[Gabz]

Regarding private property rights:

Once you give them away for one thing you take the BIG risk of giving them away for everything.

You comment needed repetition!

[SheLion]

I can't imagine why the anti-smoking crowd is so eager to get into the smoking establishments. Is it because they are much more fun? Cheaper? If they got their way here in Ohio, the party would be over for them as soon as they take over because they aren't any fun at all! I seldom go into our bar anymore and my other half never smoked a cigarette in his life. All the barmaids smoke and he will just close the place if a ban were put in place, after fighting tooth and nail against these idiots. Perhaps the revenue is 'up' per bar in California because there are fewer bars.

Actually, the anti-smoking crowd are NOT anxious to get into the establishments.  Their agenda is to BAN smoking EVERYWHERE no matter what it takes!

I did a stint as a barmaid for awhile, before I got married, and you right! Just about EVERYONE smoked.  And the ones who didn't, could care less. And in those days, we didn't have the big smoke eaters, either.  The owner would just prop open the door.

The revenue is NOT up in California.  It's all hype to MAKE it sound like revenue is up!

SMOKING BAN IMPACT ON CALIFORNIA RESTAURANTS

And fact being, California smokers are using prohibition tactics to get around the ban:

California Smokers Use Prohibition Tactics to Get Around Ban
The anti's have an agenda to ban smoking everywhere and are well funded to do so.

I am so tired of this war on the smoker, I can just puke.

[boop]

Amen to that! I have NEVER understood the mentality of anti-smoking nazis (yes, that's what they are). If you don't Like smoking, and it offends you that much, don't patronize that business! If a nightclub plays its music too loud and I don't like it because it hurts my ears, I don't go in. I don't force all businesses to keep the music turned way down low, in case I "might" go into them at some time. This, despite the FACT that loud noise damages hearing.

[Great Dane]

In my town, you'd have to wait at least 20 minutes for a table on a week night and upwards of 45 minutes on the weekend at any decent restaurant.

Funny, thats what our fanatics claimed, until someone invited a few Councillors to go bar and restaurant hopping with them, Councillors response....... we had no idea of the devastation caused by this ban.

[Great Dane]

Thank you She, it's funny how this info needs repeating, huh.

[SheLion]

This, despite the FACT that loud noise damages hearing.

I should be DEAF then. LOL! Even when I have head sets on, the music is turned up so loud, it vibrates through my body. haha!

[SheLion]

In my town, you'd have to wait at least 20 minutes for a table on a week night and upwards of 45 minutes on the weekend at any decent restaurant.

How funny the above statement is! The three places up here that accommodate smokers and the ones who get our money? Well, the non-smoking sections are always EMPTY! LOL

[SheLion]

Thank you She, it's funny how this info needs repeating, huh.

Oh my God, Great Dane. Aren't you just a little bit tired of the war on the smoker like I am? I am reaching the end of my tolerance with these anti-jerks!

I have found that the general public believes EVERYTHING that is in print. So, my new strategy is to hit them all with LINKS to ARTICLES. LOL! They sure can't dispute THAT, can they. haha

[Max McGarrity]

Ah, yes, more hype and bs about how GOOD smoking bans are for business. Tell me, lewislynn, WHY is Mayor Brown crying about how empty the hotels are in SF, why is he sending out discount coupons to other cities' officials trying to drum up business?

Five years after the ban, smokers have made other arrangements. The fact that tax receipts are up has more to do with the number of new "citizens" here along with more national chains than anything else. But you knew that, didn't you?

[Max McGarrity]

If the shoe fits...

[Max McGarrity]

You dare post a "study" here by self-proclaimed "anti-tobacco lunatic" Stanton Glantz as if it were FACT???? ROFLMAO!

This is the guy whose entire fame rests on his anti-smoker rhetoric, the guy who sued the state because they cut his grants from $15 MILLION A YEAR to $12 MIL, the guy whose "studies" have been completely debunked by every decent, HONEST economist in the country, the guy who claims a PhD in economics but is instead a mechanical engineer, the guy who has said the War on Smokers is waged to pay his mortgage, the guy who admits he won't do a "study" if it doesn't "prove" his preconceived opinion.

[Gabz]

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

The same "definitive" study that was used by the proponents of the PRD (People's Republic of Delaware) smoking ban!!!!!!

[Great Dane]

Oh my God, Great Dane. Aren't you just a little bit tired of the war on the smoker like I am? I am reaching the end of my tolerance with these anti-jerks!

Yes I am, and I am getting soooo cynical about studies and surveys that my first response is always...... who did the study, and it doesn't matter what the subject is.

[Madame Dufarge]

Went to a seafood restaurant in Brewer last night with an out-of-town friend because he was in the mood for fried clams.

We used to go there a lot, because the food and service were good and they had a separate smoking room, preventing pecksniff leak, adding to its appeal.

They went non-smoking a couple of years ago and we stopped going there.

We mentioned to our waitress that we used to be frequent customers, but stopped patronizing them because of the smoking ban.

She reacted like someone who's been in a foreign land would react to hearing their native tongue for the first time in years. Said that business has been way off, that she quit smoking herself 6 months ago and would love it if they allowed smoking again. She said they all used to compete to be assigned to the smoking section, because the smokers were more fun and tipped a lot more than the non-smokers.

That's my scientific study, and Stanton Glantz can shove his where the sun don't shine.

[SheLion]

She reacted like someone who's been in a foreign land would react to hearing their native tongue for the first time in years. Said that business has been way off, that she quit smoking herself 6 months ago and would love it if they allowed smoking again. She said they all used to compete to be assigned to the smoking section, because the smokers were more fun and tipped a lot more than the non-smokers.

Rose, did you know that back in 1998, Chillie Pengree was on the committee to ban smoking in all the restaurants in Maine? I have that article somewhere, and am desperately looking for it. But it was in the news about the committee that banned smoking in Maine Restaurants and her name was one of them.