Survey: Bush, GOP Scoring With Latinos

Foxnews ^ | 09-02-02 | Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

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[FreedomFriend]

bigot (bîg´et) noun One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

What's wrong with being partial to one's own group? The whole world operates this way. Are we trying to make normal behavior into something bad. Blacks living in black areas are partial. Whites living in white areas, granted that there is a large minority population around, is partial. Mexicans living among Mexican, even if culturally assimilated, is being partial.

Your Point?

I'm partial to Christianity, and I am not ashamed to say that.

[Texasforever]

You were the one outraged at being called a Bigot. Right?

[FreedomFriend]

Big deal. He is Pro-Life and Pro-Second Amendment. Those are great, but they are not actions nor proposals. Most of what Bush does, minus a few things you stated, is liberal.

By the way, the Reparations crowd doesn't have a chance, whereas Mexican illegal immigration is dangerous to America's future vitality.

[Jorge]

No, condoning illegal immigration and giving addresses in a foreign language is liberal. Furthermore, it signals the death for our Republic.

Well then, this is a whole other subject...if this is what you want to discuss.

I am against illegal immigration.

The subject I was addressing was about why conservatives would resent the idea of Hispanics becoming conservative.
Still waiting for an answer.

[FreedomFriend]

Not really.

[FreedomFriend]

I don't have a problem with them becoming conservative, I just don't thinking it's going to happen in numbers large enough to outnumber the Democratic voting machine.

[Jorge]

I am not Hispanic nor am I from any Hispanic country.
You know nothing about me.
But the fact that you would post such comments to me in Spanish explains a lot about where you are coming from.

[Texasforever]

I just don't thinking it's going to happen in numbers large enough to outnumber the Democratic voting machine.

They certainly won't if the conservative voice they hear is yours.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

According to you, you are not hispanic, nor from any hispanic country.

I'd like to know why you call yourself Jorge then. I'm sure others here would like to as well.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

That is..others here would like to know the reason you call yourself Jorge.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

LOL!! That's a very poetic poem!

[hchutch]

Quite frankly, the reparations crowd is a much bigger threat than you think, particularly if they start piling on a ton of lawsuits from corporations that may have done such things as insured slaves.

We're all going to pay for that in increased prices, particularly for insurance. But what is more worrisome is the fact it makes people pay the price for actions that they had no part in. That was NEVER a part of what the Founders of this nation believed in - in fact, even for what they viewed as a crime so serious the defined it in the Constitution (treason), they prohibited the corruption of blood (tainting one's family and/or descendants).

Re-evaluate the threats. Because reparations is a dagger aimed right at a fundamental principle of our legal system.

[Texasforever]

That is..others here would like to know the reason you call yourself Jorge.

Why is it any of your business?

[Diddle E. Squat]

An excellent post from another thread:

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I Know Nothing!
Anti-Catholicism and the Know-Nothings
In the early part of the 19th century a group of Americans who were opposed to the immigration of Irish and German Catholics in the United States formed a secret society officially known as the Order of United Americans. Whenever a member was asked about the group, he would say, "I know nothing." Thus they became known as the "Know-Nothings." They accepted into their group only native-born Protestants who were unrelated to Catholics either by blood or marriage. Their movement to stop the flood of Catholic immigrants is known as nativism.

New Vatican in Ohio?
By 1825 over 100 periodicals were being published in the United States; 75% of them were religious and half of those were anti-Catholic. The nativists produced a vast amount of propaganda against the Catholic Church in the first half of the 19th century. The great number of Catholics, mostly German and Irish, moving to the Midwest caused the Know-Nothings and other nativists to think that the power of the Pope might be transferred there. Many of these anti-Catholic publications stated that Catholics were not patriotic but owed their allegiance solely to the Pope and therefore could never be true Americans. The propaganda became increasingly absurd: some articles predicted that the Pope and a papal army would land on American shores to set up a new Vatican in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Morse code

Samuel Morse, the inventor of the telegraph, learned that a group in Vienna, Austria called the Leopoldine Society to Aid the Missions was making contributions to the bishop of Cincinnati to build churches and schools for the Catholics who were making Ohio their new home. Morse wrote a series of articles calling this a "foreign conspiracy." He urged Protestants to put aside their religious differences and unite against the Catholic schools, the bishops, the Jesuits and the lenient immigration laws which were continuing to allow the Catholics to move into the U.S. Morse dedicated the rest of his life to opposing the Catholic Church.

Another well known Know-Nothing was Lyman Beecher, a seventh generation Puritan preacher. Beecher moved from Boston to be the president of the Lane Theological Seminary in Cincinnati so that he could educate ministers to protect the western United States from becoming a Catholic country. In one of the nativist magazines of the time, Beecher wrote that he came to Cincinnati "to battle the Pope for the garden spot of the world."

No insurance for Catholics
In 1834 Lyman Beecher returned to Boston to deliver three anti-Catholic sermons in various churches on a single day. He succeeded in rallying the Protestants together and the next day a mob gathered at the Ursuline School in Charlestown, carrying banners which said, "Down with Popery" and "Down with the Cross." Fifty men broke down the doors of the convent and set everything on fire. Although the arsonists were caught, none were found guilty. Mob attacks on Catholic churches in New England soon became so frequent that insurance companies refused to insure Catholic buildings.

Beecher returned to Cincinnati and published his rabble-rousing sermon as a pamphlet called "Plea for the West." He amplified the papal plot envisaged by Morse, maintaining that Catholic schools would win converts who would ally themselves with Catholic immigrants to control the west. Many joined Beecher, allying themselves against the immigrant Catholics.

The nativist presence under the leadership of Lyman Beecher in Cincinnati prompted the bishop of that city to erect a new cathedral which became the tallest building west of the Allegheny River at the time. The cathedral was designed without windows in the lower walls, rather only solid stone some 45 feet high to protect against anyone throwing bombs into the building as had been happening in the New England church burnings.

Maria Monk
A vast network of newspapers, magazines, lecturers and propagandists was set up from Boston to the Mississippi valley. The most infamous of the many propaganda works was Maria Monk’s Awful Disclosures of the Hotel Dieu Nunnery of Montreal published in 1836. This book created a sensation despite the testimony of the Protestant mother of Maria Monk that her daughter had never been in a convent but had been paid a large sum of money by a Protestant minister to sign her name to the fictitious story. The book sold more than 300,000 copies.

Know-Nothing president
In the 1840s the Know-Nothings became more formally organized and became politically active. By 1855 most of the state senators and representatives were affiliated with the Know-Nothings. In 1856 they even nominated a Presidential candidate, Milliard Fillmore. Bigotry against Catholics continued, especially reaching unheard of bitterness in the national elections of 1856 when Abraham Lincoln wrote, "If the Know-Nothings get control, the Declaration of Independence will read: All men are created equal except for Negroes, foreigners and Catholics."


450 posted on 9/1/02 11:11 PM Central by Luis Gonzalez
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[willyone]

Who cares if the US goes down the slope into a third world nation. Our boy Jorge got re elected. That makes it all worthwhile. You dopes better wake up to what a Mexican majority with loyalty to Mexico means. They will not be voting for any of our guys much longer.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Is that why when the number of Hispanics immigrants increased sharply in Texas over the last 20 years, it also went from a Democrat dominated state to a Republican sweep of statewide offices? Why a Republican came within 1% of winning the mayor's race(for the first time ever) in Houston, with its large concentration of poor?

[willyone]

Where do you live? In some still lilly white part of the country? Until you live in a border area shut your pie hole. You have no clue what you are in for.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Born in Houston, live in Dallas. Are you telling me to shut my pie hole?

[willyone]

Mexico is going to take back the Southwest. Twenty years tops. It will be funny watching all the little fools running for their lives as the Warriors of Aztlan chase their sorry asses down. Not my words. Theirs.

[willyone]

You implied quite clearly that anyone who did not favor the immediate transfer of the entire population of Mexico to the US was a bigot. You said it with the word "bigotry". So just what is in it for the rest of us who have already seen our communities over run. Schools bursting at the seams, gangs, illegals on welfare,illegals waiting till they get here to have their babies. Maybe you are a Mexican and think this is graet. My concern is for the US. If that makes me a bigot tough crap pal. And GWBs re election does'nt mean squat compared to preserving the country. And what the hell is a Latino? Another made up special interest group that will demand a free ride.