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Smoke tax burns stores
New York Daily News ^ | September 1, 2002 | HANNAN ADELY

Posted on 09/01/2002 5:46:10 AM PDT by sarcasm

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1 posted on 09/01/2002 5:46:10 AM PDT by sarcasm
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"If cigarettes go up in Westchester, that will be good," said Raf Halshman,

What stupidity.

2 posted on 09/01/2002 5:55:31 AM PDT by Glenn
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This may be THE fundamental problem with liberals...even more so than the denial of everything natural. They can never see that when they make stupid laws, people that usually carry the burden are the ones to suffer. How many of these higher tax stores will eventually succumb?
3 posted on 09/01/2002 5:56:41 AM PDT by stevem
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To: sarcasm; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
I'll be back.......


4 posted on 09/01/2002 6:58:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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Okay, that's it. We just have to raise cigarette taxes in Mount Vernon and every other New York county.

Oh, but wait. Won't that just mean that smokers living along the border with other states will just cross the state line to purchase cigarettes at a lower prices?

Well then. We just need to get Hillary, our beloved savior Senator, to sponsor legislation to raise federal tobacco taxes, so that everyone will be forced to pay more for smokes.

Way to go New York. You raise tobacco taxes in hopes of raising revenue and the opposite happens. Funny, isn't? The same thing happens when income tax rates are increased. Most of the time, revenues decline.

5 posted on 09/01/2002 7:13:07 AM PDT by unbiasedtruth
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"If cigarettes go up in Westchester, that will be good," said Raf Halshman,"
What stupidity.

Unfortunately, it's the same stupidity that informs uniform drinking age laws across the country. (That and a healthy dose of threats to withhold federal highway money.)

6 posted on 09/01/2002 7:13:32 AM PDT by Dahoser
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It amazes me that politicians are sooo stupid as to think there will be no aftermath to their greed, a lot of these little stores are not going to survive.
7 posted on 09/01/2002 7:16:14 AM PDT by Great Dane
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Well then, they'll (the government) will just have to raise business taxes to make up for the loss revenue.

Wow! I could be a politician with a statement like that! ;-}

8 posted on 09/01/2002 7:18:07 AM PDT by unbiasedtruth
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The problem is not only the loss of tobacco sales but also the extras smokers buy.  "They buy everything here - a beer, a sandwich, a soda," said Mozeb, who estimates the store's total sales are down 25% for the month. 

The PRISSY NOSED ANTI-SMOKERS who want to ban smoking and raise the taxes to high heaven have no respect for anyone but themselves. They do NOT realize that smokers DO make up at least 30% of society!

It’s really sad that it has come to this, but if it wasn’t for the anti-smokers, the anti-smoking health coalitions and the anti-smoking LAWMAKERS, the stores and restaurants wouldn’t be IN this fix!!


9 posted on 09/01/2002 7:20:30 AM PDT by SheLion
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Liberals, being morons, see the world as a static place. But the world is very dynamic, and changes in one area always affect another.

For example, if you tax cigarettes here, I'll buy them there, pinheaded twits.

If you raise the level of confiscatory sales tax, the voluntary flow of money from the citizen's pocket to the computerized cash register lowers dramatically. The net impact of higher rates of tax is often lower tax revenue.

You cannot multiply 'S' sales by 't' tax rate, then change 't', without impacting 'S'. Call it bureaucratic blowback.

The mainstay of the Liberal party is insufficiently intellectually-gifted to comprehend basic economics.

10 posted on 09/01/2002 7:21:54 AM PDT by Stallone
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" If cigarettes go up in Westchester, that will be good," said Raf Halshman, a worker at F & A Deli. "We have to wait and be patient."

FORK YOU, buddy!  People will be forced to go to the Internet, Reservations or to rolling their own! Smokers are a lot smarter then he thinks!

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Smokers United

11 posted on 09/01/2002 7:26:41 AM PDT by SheLion
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Bloomberg and the boys are bragging that, even though cigarette sales are down by about 50%, tax revenues are up. They couldn't care less about the "little guys" who are losing their businesses.
13 posted on 09/01/2002 7:28:04 AM PDT by jackbill
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  Oh, but wait. Won't that just mean that smokers living along the border with other states will just cross the state line to purchase cigarettes at a lower prices?

No! That means that more smokers will buy from the Internet, the Reservations or roll their own. Simple as that!

 

14 posted on 09/01/2002 7:31:10 AM PDT by SheLion
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Bloomberg and the boys are bragging that, even though cigarette sales are down by about 50%, tax revenues are up. They couldn't care less about the "little guys" who are losing their businesses.

I say SHOW ME THE MONEY! BloomingIdiot will say ANYTHING to make sheeple think he is right about this! I say "show me the money!" Proof is in the PUDDING!

I don't believe his spews for one minute.

15 posted on 09/01/2002 7:35:31 AM PDT by SheLion
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Happy and safe Labor Day week-end everyone!


16 posted on 09/01/2002 7:36:57 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: unbiasedtruth
Wow! I could be a politician with a statement like that! ;-}

Oh yes, you have learned you lessons well. :-}}}}

17 posted on 09/01/2002 7:38:03 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: AllSmiles
I just got my first packages from Switzerland yesterday.. They seem to taste better, but maybe that's just pyschological, since I know I'm not burning up $$$ for taxes.
18 posted on 09/01/2002 7:40:46 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: sarcasm
As a non-smoker, one would think this did not concern me, but it does.

I blame the tobaco industry. When the first ban on advertising on television was proposed they should have fought it to the bitter end. They never should have given in. That was the first step.

This ban established the legality of banning "commercial" speech. I find it strange to have a consitution that allows pornography, but not some commercial advertising.

The next step was the no smoking areas in restaurants. This should have been fought, but again, they gave in. (The tobaco industries have billions of dollars for advertisement, you are telling me they could not have established teams of lawyers to fight these local ordinances. Well they didn't, and in a short amount of time they went from haveing non-smoking areas to completly banning smoking in the bar and restaurants, and from there to public buildings and now I see they are after public spaces."

I do not see this battle as a "smoking" issue, but as a freedom issue.

We are already hearing the rumbles of how bad fast food is for us, how long will be it be that there is a ban on fast food restaurants from advertising on TV?

The power to tax, is the power to destroy. Once they establish the ability to tax cirgarettes, they will soon begin taxing other items, all of course for our own good.

Our only hope now is that they over reach themselves and there is a policitcal backlash, but I don't have much hope this will occur.

19 posted on 09/01/2002 7:46:43 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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I just got my first packages from Switzerland yesterday.. They seem to taste better, but maybe that's just pyschological, since I know I'm not burning up $$$ for taxes.

I smoked More Menthol 120 for years! No other cigarette could compare. Well, last year, when Maine raised the cigarette taxes ONE MORE TIME, and they went up to about $50 dollars a carton, we beat it down to the local Smoke Shop. I have been rolling our own a year this past June.

I buy menthol tobacco in a bag, and they taste GREAT! I feel like you: maybe it's all in the mind. But at least we aren't paying into the state coffers anymore. FEELS GREAT! And the savings is phenomenal.

20 posted on 09/01/2002 7:48:40 AM PDT by SheLion
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