Burton's panel finds links to foreigners in Oklahoma blast (MIDDLE EASTERNERS IN OKC BOMBING)

INDIANAPOLIS STAR ^ | AUGUST 24, 2002 | JAMES PATTERSON

[aristeides]

The Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, was back sniffing around Oklahoma City last week looking for reasons to believe that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had help.

They found plenty. Committee lawyer Marc Chretien interviewed at least six people who claimed to have seen McVeigh keeping company with foreign-looking men in the days, even minutes, before the bombing on April 19, 1995.

[aristeides]

James Patterson is still on the case. Good to learn that Dan Burton is too.

[aristeides]

FYI.

[the crow]

OKC bump. May the truth be told.

[Guillermo]

No, going after white men wearing camoflage is/was more important.

Nothing to see here, please move along, OK?

[aristeides]

If OKC turns out to be the easiest-to-prove casus belli against Iraq, this may get public airing after all.

[M Kehoe]

This story seems to be gaining legs. Rush, Glenn Beck and some others have run segments.

5.56mm

[Founding Father]

Key point to remember: This took place just months after the pubbies took over the House and the big question was whether or not clinton was marginalized or not. The pubbies had all the momentum. After OKC, clinton steamrolled Newt et al and the pubbies did virtually nothing with their majority.
Conclusion: no gov't investigation because clinton and crew new something big was going to happen and they figured out that it was to their advantage to let it.
Question: Why were so many top level gov't employees out of office that day?

[caddie]

What was McVeigh's motivation, Ruby Ridge and Waco?

What would be the motivation of the putative co-conspirators, the middle-eastern looking dudes, that they hate America, and just think it's grand that they have this white guy who wants to do some demolition?

Is it just a marriage of convenience, and did McVeigh go along just to learn the technical aspects from the towelheads, or, is there some deeper reason for collaboration?

I have seen Patterson's articles over and over in the Star and have not known what to make of them.

Thank you for this post.

Regards, caddie

[esopman]

Thank you very much for posting this.

1. Rarely has a condemned criminal been put to death as speedily as McVeigh. His exceptional silence and quick exit are circumstantial pieces of this very dirty puzzle.

2. Clinton wanted two things: (a) A Nobel for peacemaking in the Mideast (which he pursued by meeting with Arafat more than any other leader and by playing up to the Islamics-thus the requisite minimization of their role in OKC); (b) Demonization of the right wing in our republic.

3. The extent to which the corruption of Bubba Rex permeated the law enforcement hierarchy trivializes the imagination. Many of the Clintonistas still infest the DOJ, FBI, etc. The Republicans are too compromised and cowardly to disinfect appropriately.

4. It would be very helpful if the fuss between some of the folks who have done such a fine job of accumulating the evidence could be resolved and a united front presented against the media & bureaucratic 'desinformatsiya.'

[uncbob]

You better believe Clinton didn't want this pursued

[aristeides]

I could only offer speculations on the motivation of the different parties. I'm not sure it's worth discussing them when they are just speculations. But it certainly is possible to imagine possible motivations.

[norton]

How times change, under Clinton/reno it was necessary that only right wing militia/christian conservative/racist Americans be investigated and suppressed....

After 9/11, after fair success in Afganistan it is reported that:

"deeply placed law enforcement contacts...confirmed his suspicions that the Department of Justice should reopen the case because he believes the Middle Eastern terrorist cell is still operational."
And:
"If it's true that Oklahoma bombing ties run all the way to Saddam Hussein, that would mean we go to war against Iraq."

I truly do believe that OKC was a conspiracy far beyond anything the fed's have allowed to be told. I firmly believe the fed's know damn good and well the what/who/how/why of the thing and have known from the first.
What I am NOT comfortable with is the convenience of suddenly 'discovering' that conspiracy just when a 'new' government wants a second shot at Saddam.

Do times change afterall?

PS: I also hope, out of a still active desire to believe our side can do it better, that all of this build up and talk of invasion is meant to bring Saddam down from within unless he really does do something deserving of a knock out punch.

[RJCogburn]

Good questions.

[varon]

Several of the witnesses directly link eight Middle Eastern men, most of whom are former Iraqi soldiers,…..

I wander if these “former Iraqi soldiers” are part of the group of Iraqi officers the our government relocated to the US at taxpayer’s expense? Wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn our own government is importing terrorists and providing operating capital. It is amazing that our country still exists with such fu***d up people governing it.

[uscit]

McVeigh is routinely brought up by the multiculturalist "civil rights" activists as a reason why we must not suspect foreigners more than assimilated Americans as posing a terrorism threat. It is an idiotic assertion even if Middle Easterners were not involved in the OKC bombing. Increasingly, however, it looks like they were. OKC always seemed to me to be too technically complicated a bombing to have been carried out exclusively by relatively inexperienced amateurs.

[esopman]

"If OKC turns out to be the easiest-to-prove casus belli against Iraq, this may get public airing after all."

The operative word is 'may.' Yes, if this attack were clearly linked to Iraq, AND the media covered it, AND the Republicans ran with it...the weather forecast for Baghdad could be tornadic winds of 1,800 kph, daytime highs of 3,000 degrees...

However, this would unravel a thread leading to the inner warp & woof of the Washington establishment. My guess is that the powers-that-be are furious with Burton & friends. They will undermine this rather than risk the exposure of a network within the alphabet agencies which is undoubtedly still in place.

[Ahban]

Eurasia is the enemy, Eurasia has always been the enemy...

1984

[steve50]

I think it will remain just hints and rumors of ME connections. They should have the effect of pumping up support for ME actions without opening the can of worms.

If there were ME connections, the coverup would involve a large part of our intelligence operations. I don't see how we could officially claim that without a full scale investigation into who and why would our government do such a thing. Neither party seems to want to look too deeply into our security organizations.

[aristeides]

Yes, I constantly hear the black racists who call in to C-SPAN use McVeigh as an argument for no racial profiling.

[TomGuy]

Right after the OKC explosion, the network news reporters/commentators were talking about the possibility of "foreign terrorists" and primarily Middle Eastern being the perps. About 15 to 20 minutes after the national nets began their live coverage, the reporters/commentators changed their "possibilities" to include, then probably was, a VRWC extremist. Soon any reference to ME or foreign were replaced with VRWC extremist. [I thought at the time that it seemed strange the way they shifted their reporting so quickly.] When McVeigh was caught it "confirmed" the revised reporting.

[It always seemed to me to be supicious that the OKC explosion, following soon soon after the WTC bombing, was directed toward an American extremist, even after reports of ME men that same morning on the net reports. I guess word came down from "higher up" that it was solely the work of VRWC extremists.]