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No more gas hogs in LaLa Land
Waco Tribune-Herald ^ | Rowland Nethaway

Posted on 08/12/2002 8:16:08 AM PDT by dubyagee

No gas hogs in LaLa Land
ROWLAND NETHAWAY Senior editor

Californians are strutting about congratulating themselves for their new state law requiring higher automobile fuel efficiency.

They believe that California's new state law will force car manufacturers to stop producing gas-guzzling vehicles responsible for global warming.

The logic behind the new law requiring greater fuel efficiency from car manufacturers is a faith-based belief that the automobile industry is involved in a giant conspiracy to deny the public fuel-efficient cars.

Ford, General Motors and the other car manufacturers, according to these anti-big business addicts, have the secret to 300-miles-per-gallon internal combustion engines locked away in a safe somewhere. The car industries make immoral profits by keeping this information from the public.

These urban-myth conspiracy theories have been around since the invention of automobiles.

Since I was a boy I've heard stories about the invention of new spark plugs, carburetors or fuel additives that could allow cars to run for hundreds of miles on a gallon of gas.

Generally, the stories included specific details about how the inventors of these miracles had been paid off and threatened to keep their mouths shut, if not simply murdered. Their supposed inventions were guarded more closely than the Coca-Cola recipe.

Same conspiracies, different era

Fifty years ago, these fanciful tales were voiced by run-of-the-mill drug store and pool hall conspiracy buffs.

In recent years, it has been the greenies, environmental groups, anti-globalists and Californians who think that government laws can force General Motors et al to finally release these secret fuel-efficient technologies.

It was cockamamie nonsense in 1952 and it remains just as harebrained today.

Car manufacturers wouldn't have to offer zero percent interest rates to sell cars if they could build cars with the size and power that buyers want and also get hundreds of miles per gallon.

Every car, SUV and truck owner in the nation would line up to buy such a vehicle.

The oil industry might not be pleased with 300-miles-per-gallon cars and trucks, but, hey, that's the breaks. There will always be uses for oil.

Since no knowledgeable person expects revolutionary efficiency breakthroughs on the venerable internal combustion engine, about the only way to increase fuel efficiency is to decrease safety by making cars and trucks smaller and lighter.

Anti-SUV acolytes may want to see everyone in scooter cars and public buses, but that's a hard sell to motorists who don't feel better about themselves driving around in lightweight, cramped, underpowered vehicles.

The last I heard, the car manufacturers said they would contest the new California fuel-efficiency law.

I suggest that the automobile industry simply ignore the California law.

Californians think their state law will force the car industry worldwide to build cars to California's standards.

Instead, car manufacturers should notify all the car dealers in California that they will be out of business on the day the state's new fuel efficiency standards go into effect.

If Californians want to own a new car, they will have to move to another state.

After a while, California would look like Havana, Cuba, where the cars are caught in a 1950s time warp.

Californians want the rest of the nation to pay to subsidize their lifestyles, which includes a gluttonous appetite for oil, electricity and water taken from other states.

There will be a lot less self-righteous strutting in LaLa Land if the auto industry simply ignores California's new fuel-efficiency law.

Rowland Nethaway's columns appear on Wednesdays and Fridays. E-mail: RNethaway@wacotrib.com


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; enviromentalists; gasguzzlers; kalifornia
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
You can do what you want, of course, but if it weren't for the fact that the Saudi's have our transportation and industrial infrastructure by the balls thanks to idiots like you, we wouldn't care what they thought of us. Hell, the Angolans don't like us either, but they don't have millions of dollars to back the Afghanistani government and set up terrorist training camps. If we cut oil consumption by 10%, the price would drop by 50% and we would starve them back to the stone age. But with shitheads like you around, that will never happen. Oh, and anytime you want to compare W-2's or 1040's, I'm quite sure I've got more cylinders pumping than a moron like you. Say hi to your Saudi pals for me, Arab-lover.
181 posted on 08/13/2002 10:35:06 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: cogitator
Sadly, all of the numbers in your link are wrong!

Force is commonly measured in foot-pounds per second; 60 MPH is about 88FPS and 9000 turns into 19,360 just for the brick.

Had the author used 40 MPH (roughly 60 FPS) his math table would be logical but the rest of the article and the rest of the math, especially that which compared speeds based on mass would still be wrong.

Some people can't be trusted with a spreadsheet; GIGO.

182 posted on 08/13/2002 10:52:32 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: dubyagee
Californians are strutting about congratulating themselves for their new state law requiring higher automobile fuel efficiency.

Let's hope it requires 50mpg and goes into effect immediately.

183 posted on 08/13/2002 10:56:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Southwest Oregonian farting flies

Dag-nabbit! Are they on the endangered list now, too...I so like a few thrown into my spotted owl soup! 8 * )

184 posted on 08/13/2002 11:07:34 AM PDT by dubyagee
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To: Old Professer
Sadly, all of the numbers in your link are wrong!

Thanks for checking; I didn't. I assumed that the higher mass of the vehicle would result in a greater force-on-impact for an equivalent speed compared to a lighter vehicle (it should, of course), so I took it for granted that the author had done the math correctly. I'm not going to do the analysis myself, but it would be interesting to see accurate numbers on this.

185 posted on 08/13/2002 12:04:32 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: babble-on
If you believe the Saudis control our transportation and industrial infrastructure, then you are more dimwhitted than that idiot Algore. Maybe if we all got in a big circle and sang Kumbayah we would solve our problems. But no, we have to take freedoms away from others to reach the solutions you desire. It's morons like you that made the Nazis what they were. If you enjoy that style of government, I'd suggest you relocate to North Korea with your buddy medved so you can ride bikes and not have to worry about the capitalist system any longer. And where do any of my posts say I'm an Arab-lover? My screen name is what it is for one purpose only. I strongly endorse wiping out the governments in that area of the world and taking control of the oil fields since we built most of them ourselves. But I guess asking an Algoretreehuggingcommie like yourself to actually read my posts would be a real reach. And don't worry, I haven't received a W-2 in years. I'm one of those evil rich bast*rds that hold the little people like you down by actually creating jobs and paying what they are really worth instead of the inflated payscales that some idiots create in their own mind.
186 posted on 08/13/2002 12:21:30 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: dubyagee
They'll be off the list soon. They are being incinerated by the forest fires created as a result of the SUV hating envirocommies.
187 posted on 08/13/2002 12:22:42 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: medved
I'm getting a new Suburban in November and I will be laughing at you.
188 posted on 08/13/2002 12:29:18 PM PDT by saminfl
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To: medved
If we were to do EVERYTHING within our power to eliminate the use of foreign oil, including developing every possible domestic energy resource AND get rid of bad habits like driving around in SUVs unnecessarily, it could be done.

A little "communal" living would be good for us eh?

189 posted on 08/13/2002 12:50:02 PM PDT by saminfl
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To: saminfl
Let me know how you like the new ones. I have a Durango now but want a bigger SUV but was leaning towards the Avalanche. If it gets over 20 mpg, I don't want it just to piss off the envirocommies.
190 posted on 08/13/2002 12:51:01 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: saminfl
You won't be laughing the day after they start rationing gasoline...
191 posted on 08/13/2002 12:58:36 PM PDT by medved
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To: medved

TINFOIL ALERT



What's next, they close all the fast food chains to accomodate the veggiecommies so food rationing coupons will be issued? God forbid we let people choose the food they eat also.
192 posted on 08/13/2002 1:07:41 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: medved
The guy who uses a van or SUV to commute or drive around in, which, near as I can tell, is 90% of van and SUV owners, is a pig. That guy and california deserve eachother.

Not everyone is as fortunate as you are and able to own four cars; one for each requirement.

193 posted on 08/13/2002 1:10:44 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Paradox
Hey, I dislike most SUVs (drivers actually) on the road, but I am not about to tell them they can't drive em.

Why? It should be good sport to pass them on the winding roads with your Z!

194 posted on 08/13/2002 1:13:40 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: medved
My bicycle has a 750cc motor on it and gets 50mpg, and it's very unlikely your SUV would keep up with it.

The 1100s too much for you huh? I get 14 miles to the gallon (not an SUV) and I like it. Matter of fact, I'm one of those sick gearheads that likes the smell of gas as well. I don't sniff gas on purpose, but the smell of gas fumes at the track is one of a kind

196 posted on 08/13/2002 1:34:51 PM PDT by billbears
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To: medved
If the environmental whackos didn't put up numerous barriers to domestic oil exploration, especially off the North Slope of Alaska, the Pacific Coast, and the Atlantic Coasts, the US could produce an increased amount of oil and natural gas, thereby reducing our dependence on foreign energy supplies.
197 posted on 08/13/2002 1:37:03 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: medved
The 5-speed Neon can cruise all day long at 75 or 80 and get 38 mpg doing it, and it doesn't waste time getting to cruising speed.

Really? The numbers I've seen shows the Neon R/T does 0-60 in 7.6 seconds, and the quarter mile in 15.8!! I might could bicycle it faster than that. Whatever anyone does, for God's sake, don't pull out in front of anybody in one of these things. And it's a 150 HP. I had to look to make sure this wasn't one of those three cylinder washing machine engines Ford stuck in their ever popular Festivas a decade ago

198 posted on 08/13/2002 1:45:57 PM PDT by billbears
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
That has got to be the stupidest comment ever posted on FR, without question.

Haven't read many of Medved's posts, have you.

199 posted on 08/13/2002 2:21:24 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: billbears
Really? The numbers I've seen shows the Neon R/T does 0-60 in 7.6 seconds, and the quarter mile in 15.8 !! I might could bicycle it faster than that. Whatever anyone does, for God's sake, don't pull out in front of anybody in one of these things. And it's a 150 HP.

The ordinary Neon with 130 - 132 horses is quicker than most vehicles on the road and they're geared tall for high-speed cruising rather than for quarter mile times. That's what makes for the good gas mileage at highway speeds. If you want more power they make one with 215 horses for under $20K.

200 posted on 08/13/2002 2:37:32 PM PDT by medved
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