Posted on 07/31/2002 12:01:40 PM PDT by SheLion
That part of the equation you can strike out. Even with all the anti organizations trying they have still yet to PROVE that ETS even comes CLOSE to damaging a person unless they have a pre-existing medical condition.
The only thing the antis want with these laws is to make people stop smoking for their own good.
"Live your life they way I say to live it." is their rally cry.
No matter what the ownership? No, you aren't a conservative Republican any more. Having decided that there is no such thing as private property, you fall more in line with RINO/marxist Republicans.
Hiding behind the concept of "property rights" just won't cut it;
Here's a clue, Mr. "Conservative Republican," the concept of property rights is the very wellspring of conservatism.
You need to realize that tobacco smoke is the number one cause of preventable illness and premature death
I'm touched by your concern; but it's none of your business.
and that no one has the right to injure another person's health by polluting the air in places open to the public.
No one has the right to demand a business owner conform to his neurotic wants. You do have the right to stay away.
But smoking in private or in the open away from nonsmokers doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't choose to be hurt and it doesn't keep anyone away from anything; have at it.
Why how sporting of you, General Napoleon. Who asked your permission, and what makes you think you have the authority to grant it? Does the phrase "pompous ass" mean anything to you?
Sometimes they make me really mad, other times, I get a good laugh.
Good one!
Seems like that is what's needed, right? heh!
I do know what you are talking about here. I can truthfully say that I am not one of these types. I do smoke but do not expect to be able to smoke anywhere I desire.
I do expect to be able to smoke in a business that allows it. Until and IF they prove that ETS causes harm, governments have no business telling a business owner what they can and cannot allow in the way of smoking tobacco.
He LOOKED at a pack of cigarettes.
Bet he's feverishly dialing "911" right now.
Spend your own money and open your own smoke free bar or pool hall and leave the other guy's PRIVATE property alone.
While thumbing through a 1996 Government study of
"Nico-Visual Hazards and How They Kill" no doubt.
Well, I always was an insensitive b@stard.
You are so hopelessly brain-washed as to be a cartoon.
Please list the objective, empirical, scientific studies from which you draw your assertions about the "deadliness" of exposure to someone else's cigarette smoke.
And while you are at it please explain why exposure to tobacco smoke is supposedly so deadly, yet exposure to other forms of smoke are not.
I'll check back with you in a few years - because it will most likely take you that long to learn the information does not exist.
When you go out of business in about 90 days or so, I can buy the joint and let in whoever the hell I please.
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You didn't explain clearly how your father and sister died, but you seem to imply that it was due to environmental tobacco smoke. If that is in fact what you're saying, I'll have to reply "balderdash." Do you, an obviously educated person, actually believe that if smoking were prohibited tomorrow, no one else would die of the very same "smoking-related" diseases?
Maybe then I could go out to a bar or a pool hall without being assaulted by unwanted and unhealthy tobacco smoke and made ill.
Assaulted? I beg your pardon. Tell you what: If anyone ever FORCES you into a smoker-friendly place OR if anyone ever PROHIBITS you from opening a smoker-hostile bar or pool hall, you let us know here at Free Republic. We'll fight for YOUR right to stay away from smokers or to put your own hard earned money, your blood, sweat and tears into a place of YOUR liking.
As conservatives you have to realize that your right to the pursuit of happiness ends when it endangers someone else's health - and smoking in public or in the presence of nonsmokers does exactly that.
Oops, you overstepped and fell into the typical anti-smoker bog of fallacious logic here. Dang, I need to brush up on those logical fallacies again. I forget whether this is "argument by selective observation" or "hypothesis contrary to fact" or simply "poisoning the well," but it doesn't wash. Risks are all around us every day, and risks MUST be put in perspective if public policy is to be based on them--particularly public policy that demonstrably harms others.
Smoking in a private place among other smokers or smoking in the open away from others is the harmless pursuit of your own happiness,
So where's the problem? Restaurants, bars, pool halls, etc., ARE private places and if the owner's policy allows smoking, your statement above describes exactly what occurs: "Smoking in a private place among other smokers..." Anti-smokers and others who just don't want to partake of the ambience there should use their personal autonomy and stay away.
but inflicting your unwanted, nasty and unhealthy smoke on other people who don't want anything to do with it and who are physically harmed by it isn't just rude - it's morally wrong. And that is why legislation like this is happening.
Under the circumstances above, how on earth could you say smokers are "inflicting" ANYTHING on "other people who don't want anything to do with it"? If they don't want anything to do with it, they won't be there. Seems very clear to me. You are, however, totally wrong about the reason legislation like this is happening. Which everyone else here knows and you don't care because you're blinded by your hatred of smoking.
Save your own life and quit smoking now. Had you seen how horribly my father and sister died you would never go near tobacco again in your life.
It's always disappointing to me to read such drivel from an obviously intelligent, educated person. Just goes to show that education can never take the place of common sense.
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