Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

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[Polycarp]

Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend

Date: Monday, July 29 @ 15:01:42 EDT
Topic: Homosexual Agenda

Washington, DC – Urban Legends are extremely difficult to stop once they’ve reached the email circuit or the Internet. The Federal Communications Commission (FCC), for example, still receives thousands of petitions each year from Christians who have been told that Madalyn Murray O’Hair is trying to get all Christian programming removed from TV and radio. Mrs. O’Hair has been dead for many years now, but the petitions continue to reach the FCC from alarmed Christians.

By Rev. Louis P. Sheldon
Chairman,
Traditional Values Coalition

Emails and the Internet contribute to the spread of urban legends, but these information sources are also useful in helping us dispel urban legends. Traditional Values Coalition has recently launched its own urban legend site to debunk misinformation spread by homosexual activist organizations about the nature and prevalence of homosexuality in our culture. Our Homosexual Urban Legend site has just added a new legend that needs to be debunked: The claim that homosexuals are “born gay” and that homosexuality is fixed and unchangeable from birth.

The “Born Gay” urban legend is actually being exposed as false by homosexual researchers themselves. Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, notes that homosexuality is not “purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay.” Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who attempted to find a genetic basis for homosexuality by examining the differences in the hypothalamus between “homosexual” and “heterosexual” males, has written: “I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain.”

Therapists who treat men and women struggling with same-sex attractions say that there are several consistent factors that contribute to the emergence of homosexuality: gender confusion in childhood, a failure to internalize maleness, and sexual abuse by a same-sex predator. Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals. Other research confirms what therapists have known for decades: Homosexuals are made, not born. And they are frequently “made” by older men who molest them as youngsters.

Counselor Dr. Robert Hicks, author of The Masculine Journey has some sobering thoughts on the real origins of homosexual attractions: “…In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers; stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have been early exposure to pornography….” It is worth repeating: Homosexuals are made, not born.

This may not be good news to hardened homosexual activists who continue to engage in life-threatening behaviors. It should be good news to those men and women who struggle with same-sex attractions but who wish to lead normal lives. Organizations like Exodus International and the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality are available to help free these individuals from same-sex attractions and a sexual behavior that can ultimately kill them.

Christians who oppose homosexuality are frequently accused of being unloving, but there is nothing more loving than helping a person to become free of a life-controlling and self-destructive behavior. How many more patches will be added to the AIDS Quilt before someone says enough is enough: Homosexuality kills.

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[MoscowMike]

Howdy

I think we agree more than we disagree, I could care less about someone's sexuality. None of my business unless it is forced unwanted into public politics.

I decry the abuse of science to serve political agendas, from "climate change" to "genetic predisposition to homosexuality".

It is a crying shame, people used to be able to believe what scientists said, but not since the boomers came along.

The whole stupid notion that homosexuality is an irreversible genetically determined characteristic comes from the militant leftist deviant rights industry, if it is a permanent physical condition, then, the argument is, we must reshape society and redefine the deviant as normal.

Power politics corrupting the scientific method, pure and simple.

[stands2reason]

I believe there might be a small percentage of people who are "born" homosexual due to problems with the X and Y chromosomes or having an XXY pattern. Also due to lack of proper hormonal developments in the womb. That is, caused by genetic disorders with the symptom of same-sex-attraction.
I also believe that there is a percentage of homosexuals who "imprinted" their condition early in life, before age five, who would be difficult if not impossible subjects for converting to normalcy.
But I believe there's an even larger number of "made" homosexuals by abuse, those that could be living ordinary happy lives if it wasn't for all the "gay pride" and "gay is okay" even "preferable" propaganda because all of a sudden you're in a protected and vaunted minority and that makes you a better person. But it certainly won't make you happier.

[MoscowMike]

Howdy

Eeeeew!

I have no opinion about your family or your anecdotal experience and the conclusions you draw form your personal experience.

I am simply saying, there is no scientific basis for the conclusion that homosexuality is of organic origin.

Any assertion to the contrary is false, that's all I am saying.

[uncbob]

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About what I think at this point in time

[VOA]

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[ThomasMore]

just as vile, evil and disgusting as your worst homosexual fears.

But no one here is justifying heterosexual perverts. It seems that the media, the PC crowd and liberals in general have justified the perverted sex lives of homosexuals and wants my grandchildren to buy their lie.(bought and paid for by gubment funds)

BTW, a lot of perverted crap happens in bedrooms...much of it coerced! No matter how you look at it, homosexual acts are unnatural. And those young people who are introduced to this perverted lifestyle are being psychologically and physically destroyed in the bedrooms you imply I should keep my nose out of.

[OBAFGKM]

"I am simply saying, there is no scientific basis for the conclusion that homosexuality is of organic origin."

I would have to disagree. Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature. Animal studies have shown that sexual behavior can be drastically affected by prenatal hormone exposure. Even anecdotal evidence such as MAWG's can can be "scientific" evidence if it is documented to be statistically significant, which some twin and sibling studies apparently have.

Now, that does not go to say that a person having some particular "organic" element is certainly homosexual. But it does suggest that there is more to it than simply "free choice."

[ffusco]

are you sure? lisping is a learned behavior like ballroom dancing. But it is not shared by all gay men, nor is the love of theater, Judy Garland records or an affinity for interior decoration. These trademarks are consciously or unconsciously acquired by some much like bikers will sport similar tattos. And many gay men do not have any of these affectations like john wayne and rock hudson.

[toupsie]

are you sure? lisping is a learned behavior like ballroom dancing.

That was supposed to be a joke and not to be taken as a legitimate feature of being a homosexual.

[RAT Patrol]

If the question is: “What ‘causes’ homosexuality?”… then the ONE and ONLY truthful answer is: NOBODY KNOWS. “Gay activists” don’t know, NARTH doesn’t know, and you can be quite certain that “Lying Louie” Sheldon doesn’t know. The totality of the available evidence has led to the following scientific consensus: “Sexual orientation is most likely determined by an as-yet-undetermined combination of biological and environmental factors.” And until there is a LOT more research… ummm, make that UNBIASED research (sorry NARTH)… that’s as good an answer as we’re going to have.

Do we know what causes lying?...promiscuity?...addiction?...selfishness? or positives like diligence?...honesty?...monogomy?... on and on and on we could go. All behavior is a combination of genetics, environment and choice. That is no excuse, however. When you steal, you still go to jail. When you lie and cheat, you still have no friends. And when you are sexually promiscuous or risky, you still reap the unhealthy rewards. Sadly, so does society as a whole when the behavior is normalized and accepted.

[MoscowMike]

Howdy

I agree with you, there is evidence, in your own words, "suggest" there is more at work than free choice.

But then, basing public policy on mere "suggestions" is pure folly, and bears no resemblance to science. That is corrupt political dishonesty, and that is what I condemn.

Perhaps the tender ministrations of wierd uncle harry produce statistically significant differences in brain function.

Perhaps evidence suggesting that such differences in brain function exist is in error, perhaps these statistically significant differences depend more upon fators unrelated or indirectly related to sexual preference, it is this cloud of uncertainty that REAL science deals with in creating a factual basis upon which ethical people can base their political and societal opinons.

It is amusing that you agree with me in substance but adhere still to the opposing view in the final instance.

[ThomasMore]

I'm sorry that it doesn't fit in with your religous take on the world

This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with physiology and psychology. We just believe that God created that physiology and psychology.

Homosexuality doesn't fit into ANY normal socio-sexual world! The penis was not created for rectal penetration nor was the rectom created as a penile receptical. This man eroticises on the same sex and chooses to do so. He never learned to eroticise the opposite sex. He's classic S.I.D.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

And many gay men do not have any of these affectations like john wayne and rock hudson.

John Wayne? I think you're asking for trouble in this forum.

[ffusco]

when will people realize that homosexuality is a normal deviation from the norm just like genius, or NBA players. I am against the homosexual agenda and the sainted status of victimhood they have acquired but I dont despise gay people. They have their own cross to bear which has included being ostracized by friends and family. the risk of losing a job. The denouncement by the religeous right, the idea that Aids is retribution and lots of other hateful bigoted ideas. Being a rational, thoughtful conservative ought to include a bit of sympathy and tolerance for others who are different. But I guess this is too much to ask from some of you. And No I am not gay, but a close family member is.

[ffusco]

Not being familiar with you or your sense of humor I rebutted-No harm no foul.

[william clark]

Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature.

Well, aside from the fact that you're most likely referring to the very studies which this article cites as NOT demonstrating a conclusive biological predisposition, you're making the mistake of looking at the "after" picture and presuming that the differences existed "before." External factors (stress, substance abuse, exercise, etc.) influences body chemistry, so stating that a group of individuals that share a common behavior trait also have a biological condition in common is not the same as saying that the biological condition was present prior to the behavior. In research, this is called "association," not "causation."

[ThomasMore]

The fact that there is a biological determinant in homosexuality has been demonstrated by studies on the brain functions of homosexual versus non-homsexual males.

What studies are those?

[ffusco]

great screen name BTW. Have you seen redux? The plantation scene and the bunny scene are not to be missed. I can handle the J.W. backlash.

[toupsie]

BTW, a lot of perverted crap happens in bedrooms...much of it coerced! No matter how you look at it, homosexual acts are unnatural. And those young people who are introduced to this perverted lifestyle are being psychologically and physically destroyed in the bedrooms you imply I should keep my nose out of.

If homosexuality is "unnatural" why do we see it in nature? I remember my neighbor's bird dogs when I was growing up that seemed naturally inclined to bugger each other when given the chance. I doubt the San Francisco community had any influence over these two, Southeast Texas male dogs nor were any 'Gubment' funds used to deter them from bitches in heat. There are several species of monkeys that also engage in homosexual behavior. So nature seems to be very comfortable with animals in same sex relationships. Genetically, humans are just super-clever chimps that use personal digital assistants and bitch about fellow members of our species not doing what we want.

I can understand having a religious objection to certain people. We all develop our biases through our experiences. Sometimes we grow past these irrational beliefs and sometimes we amplify them as we grow older. I am always worried about those that amplify to the point where they feel compelled to get into other people's private business.

[MoscowMike]

Howdy

There is no rational basis to see homosexuality as normal, it is deviant sexual behavior and a trajedy for every individual and family thus afflicted.

The corruption of deviant liberal propagandists is there in your own words, "a normal deviation from the norm" is a contradiction in terms, you have defined the term "deviancy" not "normalcy" and putting the words side by side changes their meaning not one whit.

Now I agree that homosexuals have enough problems without getting dumped on, and among my friends are homosexual people, none of whom have reason to complain that I am intolerant.

I don't think that aids is divine retribution for homosexuality, and I do not believe that homosexuals should be persecuted.

I do believe that you will not get aids if you know which position to keep your zipper in, I am persuaded that anal intercourse is the main source of the spread of aids, and I do think that homosexuals would get a lot more tolerance from society if they were themselves more tolerant of the definition of normalcy.

It is so tiresome, this modern notion that people are mere flotsam, powerless to do anything more than drift about on a sea of preordained currents.

It is not a rational belief system, dare I label it the "religion of futility"?