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To: MoscowMike
"I am simply saying, there is no scientific basis for the conclusion that homosexuality is of organic origin."

I would have to disagree. Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature. Animal studies have shown that sexual behavior can be drastically affected by prenatal hormone exposure. Even anecdotal evidence such as MAWG's can can be "scientific" evidence if it is documented to be statistically significant, which some twin and sibling studies apparently have.

Now, that does not go to say that a person having some particular "organic" element is certainly homosexual. But it does suggest that there is more to it than simply "free choice."

47 posted on 07/29/2002 1:48:07 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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To: OBAFGKM
Howdy

I agree with you, there is evidence, in your own words, "suggest" there is more at work than free choice.

But then, basing public policy on mere "suggestions" is pure folly, and bears no resemblance to science. That is corrupt political dishonesty, and that is what I condemn.

Perhaps the tender ministrations of wierd uncle harry produce statistically significant differences in brain function.

Perhaps evidence suggesting that such differences in brain function exist is in error, perhaps these statistically significant differences depend more upon fators unrelated or indirectly related to sexual preference, it is this cloud of uncertainty that REAL science deals with in creating a factual basis upon which ethical people can base their political and societal opinons.

It is amusing that you agree with me in substance but adhere still to the opposing view in the final instance.

51 posted on 07/29/2002 1:58:07 PM PDT by MoscowMike
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To: OBAFGKM
Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature.

Well, aside from the fact that you're most likely referring to the very studies which this article cites as NOT demonstrating a conclusive biological predisposition, you're making the mistake of looking at the "after" picture and presuming that the differences existed "before." External factors (stress, substance abuse, exercise, etc.) influences body chemistry, so stating that a group of individuals that share a common behavior trait also have a biological condition in common is not the same as saying that the biological condition was present prior to the behavior. In research, this is called "association," not "causation."

56 posted on 07/29/2002 2:02:36 PM PDT by william clark
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To: OBAFGKM
Statistically significant differences in brain function between heterosexuals and homosexuals have been documented in peer-reviewed literature.

Even if true, that hardly means homosexuality is inborn.

There is a therapy used in treating OCD called "cognitive therapy" which involves the sufferer actively confronting and resisting his obsessions and compulsions through choice and force of effort. It is one of the most effective therapies and it has the effect of altering the wave function and even the physiology of the brain over time.

It is more likely that as a person chooses to act "gay" and continues in that choice, his brain wave patterns and even physiology are changed.

I've also noticed that the most vigorous defenders of homosexuality tend to be young and wet behind the ears. They haven't lived long enough to acquire a full account of human behavior and are still parroting what their liberal Rasputins told them about homosexuality iin college.

Most grow out of it. You may too.

175 posted on 07/29/2002 10:26:28 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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