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George Bush, Failed Corporate Crook: Nitwit Scion Turns Avenger
Village Voice ^ | Week of July 10 - 16, 2002 | James Ridgeway

Posted on 07/09/2002 12:03:15 PM PDT by dead

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To: bvw
Okay, tell us what Mr. Ridgeway's major was, or are you not so sure and just yapping off?

Hi bvw, so pleasant to 'see' you again. I could not find any bio info. on Ridgeway or Cassandra Lewis. My point was that there are quite a few hack 'writers' explaining bidness to all us folks. I'd expect most of those writers have never run a business much less have a masters degree in business administration from Harvard.

yap yap:)

41 posted on 07/09/2002 1:07:09 PM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: bvw
blah, blah, blah.

What is your point?
42 posted on 07/09/2002 1:07:22 PM PDT by subterfuge
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To: dead
This is old. Been around pre- election. It has totally been torn down, item by item and you can find it on the net if you look.

Really, i expected better from you, dead. What happened?

43 posted on 07/09/2002 1:08:17 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Paulus Invictus
Why is this RAT propaganda posted here?

To annoy you.

44 posted on 07/09/2002 1:15:01 PM PDT by dead
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To: Paulus Invictus
You know what, it's true. I get my best arguments from threads like this one; to use when my very liberal, Democraw brother-in-law comes to visit.
45 posted on 07/09/2002 1:15:29 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: mr.sarcastic; dead; Admin Moderator
FYI, the Village Voice is a subsidiary of the Tribune Co., one of the outlets we cannot post full articles from anymore. I'm 99% sure I saw it on the list.

The Voice is its own company. It used to be owned by Leonard Stern until 2000, when he sold it to a group of private investors. It's now a little mini-empire of loony left newspapers called "Village Voice Media." They own the LA Weekly and OC Weekly and a few others. Which is a longwinded way of saying: They have no relationship to the TribCo or the WashPostCo. Post away. We could use the laughs.

(Amusingly, the Voice was once owned by Rupert Murdoch.)

46 posted on 07/09/2002 1:16:59 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Clara Lou
Nope try this.

Bush filed the form 144, intent to sell.

Sold the stock.

Company is supposed to file a 'yes the stock sold form'. Didn't.

Filed the 'yes stock sold form' late.

The important thing is form 144, the rest doesn't matter.

Bush sold stock, stock went down then back up, double what Bush sold for.

dump-o-craps should come standard with a flush lever.

47 posted on 07/09/2002 1:20:03 PM PDT by snooker
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
You'd think I wrote it.

One of the purposes of this website is to analyze the articles published in the various media outlets, to validate the truths and knock down the lies.

I'm sorry, but I find all-cheerleading articles all the time a bit tedious, and certainly of no use in separating the wheat from the chaff in the liberal talking points.

If you don't like reading such articles, avoid them. I don't think the headline was in the least bit misleading in alerting you as to the content.

48 posted on 07/09/2002 1:24:22 PM PDT by dead
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To: Paulus Invictus
Why is this RAT propaganda posted here?

Seems to me that dead already stated he posted it to (paraphrased) give you practice refuting it and ripping it to shreds.

So long as it doesn't conflict with JimRob's guidelines, I have no problems with that.
Can't rip the 'Rats to shreds if you're gonna hide from what they're saying.

49 posted on 07/09/2002 1:25:15 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Timesink
Thanks for the info. I got my facts straight (see post #36). I had wanted to post something from the Voice a few weeks ago, but refrained because I thought it was on "The List." I'm glad, because this stuff is just too hilarious to excerpt. There's nothing like crawling into the thought process of a leftist.
50 posted on 07/09/2002 1:26:54 PM PDT by mr.sarcastic
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To: dead
Nope, not at all misleading. I guess I am used to seeing a "barf alert" on this forum from conservatives posting such stuff.

But you have been around, and I am surprised you have not seen this before and also the debunking of it. That surprises me. So why post it now? Someone egging you on?

51 posted on 07/09/2002 1:27:39 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: snooker
Company is supposed to file a 'yes the stock sold form'. Didn't.
Filed the 'yes stock sold form' late.</I<
Aha, a further detail-- the company didn't file the "sold" form. So, how are the Dems construing this to be a problem for Bush?

52 posted on 07/09/2002 1:28:27 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: dead
The problem for Bush is how to seem to be attacking corporate scoundrels while keeping their campaign contributions coming.

Riiiight. This is gonna be SUCH a big problem. First of all, how many corporate scandals have truly come out thus far, about six or seven? That leaves only, oh, at least several hundred thousand other companies out there that have been completely untouched by any of this. They'll keep on donating happily. Those donations, especially in off-years like this one, usually aren't about ideology or quid pro quo (well, they're NEVER about quid pro quo unless you're, say, a Democrat), but purely out of hopes that it'll get them some access. No matter what happens in November, Bush will still be president for at least two more years afterwards, and they fear alienating the party in the White House. Ridgeway's an idiot.

If Bush really wanted to address the situation, all he'd have to do is to pick up the phone, call Attorney General John Ashcroft, and ask him to launch an investigation of any one of these CEOs for fraud, conspiracy, theft, obstruction of justice, or perjury. The president could also turn to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can refer a civil case for criminal prosecution. Bush doesn't need additional legislation to do this. All he has to do is call.

Uh huh. And if he did do any of this, how long would it take for Dashole, Gephardt and the James Ridgeways of the world to start screeching like a bunch of poodles with their tails being stepped on, claiming that Bush is abusing the powers of his office by issuing orders J. Edgar Hoover-style in an attempt to "get" and "destroy" people he doesn't like? And what about all those thousands of poor innocent employees that might be out of jobs if Big Evil Bush crushes these corporations?

This is nothing but BS rhetoric, standard-issue Bush-hate with no substance whatsoever. Which, of course, is why it's appearing in the Village Voice, where it will be completely ignored by anyone but the hardest of the hardcore leftist ideologues that wouldn't vote for Bush or any Republican even if the Democrats suddenly started trying to reinstitute slavery.

53 posted on 07/09/2002 1:31:24 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: dead
By the way, if Bush is a "failed corporate crook," doesn't that mean he's not a crook?
54 posted on 07/09/2002 1:32:27 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I find the whole "barf alert" system a bit childish. I would rather read an article for myself and decide. Besides, look at the title. Did you really need a barf alert?

I usually check the Village Voice on Tuesday afternoons to find out what they're up to. I like Hentoff (though I found his article this week to be a rehash of his previous efforts.) And this week’s “Man on the Street” section (Al Gore Seems to Be Positioning Himself for a Run in 2004. Excited?) was a real hoot.

Ridgeway is sometimes interesting. He's a leftist, but was not a fan of Clinton, so that counts for something. I have not seen some of these specific accusations in print before, and was curious to see what the people on this site knew of them.

As I said, nobody forces anybody to click on and read any article around here.

55 posted on 07/09/2002 1:34:50 PM PDT by dead
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To: Timesink
It's sort of like the old, self-contradicting, liberal theory on Reagan -

He was an evil genius, manipulating the gullible free world into supporting his global domination people crushing schemes, who was also a complete dolt who didn't know what time of day it was.

They're liberals. Logic is not their strong point.

56 posted on 07/09/2002 1:39:38 PM PDT by dead
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To: Paulus Invictus
Why is this RAT propaganda posted here? We seem to see more and more of this trash posted on FR.

That's because as conservatives, we want to be informed about what the other side is up to, not merely spoon-fed rah-rah articles from publications on our side of the fence. It's the left's refusal to read, watch or listen to any information or argumentation that doesn't already conform to their dogma that makes them so ineffectual and - to be blunt - stupid, ignorant and uninformed. Give me posts from the Voice, The Nation and The New Republic any day ... as long as it's only a part of my reading habits, not the sum of them.

...not to mention being a mirror of the immoral, drug infested, crime-ridden area they reside in--NYC.

Dude, what decade are you in? Dinkins isn't mayor any more. Some guy came in called Giuliani - you may have heard the name - and cleaned up the place inside of a few months.

57 posted on 07/09/2002 1:44:53 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: dead
Interesting to read the various takes that have been proffered on the Harken deal.... The thing is that most have been around for a long time and explored in his run for Governor and President. I doubt that much else will actually be uncovered that is damaging. They will try to use it when they have nothing else to use.

The following is a quote out of a Washington Post article dated July 3, 2002 related to the insider trading issue....

The White House provided the first four pages of an SEC memo from 1992 which said, "Based upon our investigation, it appears that Bush did not engage in illegal insider trading because it does not appear that he possessed material nonpublic information." Bartlett said the information about the losses at issue was available only to Harken's executive committee, of which Bush was not a member.

58 posted on 07/09/2002 1:47:10 PM PDT by deport
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To: dead
Where is the barf alert??
59 posted on 07/09/2002 2:29:36 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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To: Wait4Truth
Please don't post this crap here!

Pleeeeeease, pretty please. ahaha

60 posted on 07/09/2002 4:40:33 PM PDT by Twodees
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