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To: I_Publius; Shermy; Fred Mertz; DoughtyOne; codebreaker; spycatcher
I have written extensively about many of the items in Solomans article on FR since June 2000 plus a whole lot more about prior warning, some of which I will repeat in this reply. Soloman was fed info for his story by Mike McNulty who did the documentaries on Waco and who I personally told about the forewarnings going back to 1995. McNulty has also been in contact with Jayna Davis to get additional details which I have provided Davis regularly since 1995.

I believe Soloman's story is vastly incomplete, does not adequately reflect the extent of detailed forewarning/foreknowledge by the FBI and USG. Soloman's story too easily gives the Feds an "out" for their corruption and coverup of their mishandling of the OKC bombing (which they do not deserve). I am concerned as to why Soloman's story was so incomplete in blaming the USG for knowing more than what SOloman knew to reveal in his story but did not reveal.

I found an article in the Newark Star Ledger in early May 1995 which quoted from the US Marshals memo put out by the head of the Marshals, Eduardo GOnzales. I gave a copy to ABC news who put it on the national news in May 1995. Defense attorney Stephen Jones also publicly brought up the memo and in a March 1996 pretrial hearing with Judge MAtsch and US prosecutor Beth Wilkinson. Thus in May 1995 in OKlahoma and across the nation it was made known that a warning had been issued for a possible ME assisted attack on Fed buildings including the OKC Murrah building in the US. I went to the Senate Judiciary and Senate intelligence committees with this info and they did nothing even though the Pentagon terrorism advisor went with me.

Wilkinson admitted in the pretrial hearing that the FBI deliberately had not done an FBI 302 report on the US Marshals warning. However, she represented to the court ( I have the court records) that the ENTIRE Federal family had been warned because of the memo. This included the BATF, CIA FBI, Federal judges and US MArshals.

THe US Marshals warning was used to specifically warn US Judge Wayne Ally in OKC in late March 1995. Ally told his hometown newspaper, the Oregonian, in May 1995 that Ally had used the warning to tell his children to take his grand children out of the Murrah building day care center where 16 children lost their lives on April 19, 1995. Ally stayed home to work at home after APril 4, 1995 and he was not on vacation either. When these facts became known, Ally was taken off the Nichols and McVeigh trials , the venue was changed to Denver and Ally was replaced by Matsch.

The FBI, not just the BATF, had prior warning and told their agents to stay out of the Murrah building on April 19, 1995. My wife was told this by prominent FBI agents wives, Dee Vogel and Christie Hersley at 9:30 am on APril 19, 1995 just 28 minutes after the Murrah building was bombed. The FBI wives also said that the FBI knew the bombing was coming as a result of "the BATF botching WACO".

The FBI did not have offices in the Murrah building but the FBI had 3-4 agents in the Murrah building everyday at 9am sharp (2 minutes before the Murrah bombing) and they often dropped children off at the day care center . The FBI went to court proceedings across the street at the Fed courthouse and met with agents of the DEA, BATF, secret Service and Defense investigative services all housed in the Murrah building. I found numerous witnesses wo worked at the Murrah building who confirmed the FBI presence in the MUrrah building every day at 9 am. No FBI agents were in the Murrah building on APril 19, 1995, The FBI wives expressed relief that their husbands and other FBI agents had been told not to go to the Murrah building that day.

My wife has been threatened more than once with loss of employment for telling her story publicly by one of the FBI agents wives and by an FBI agent since 1995. The FBI sent FBI agent James Carlisle to our home in Jan 1996 to threaten me and my wife over this and other evidence we had learned of USG foreknowledge or forewarning. I personally spoke with OK Senator James Inhofe and the Seante Intell legal counsel Joan Grimson about the FBI threats to me and my wife. The Pentagon terror advisor Jesse Clear also spoke to the same offices (Inhofe and Grimson)on my wife's behalf. Nothing was done adequate to protect me or my wife or rectify the situation with the FBI.

One reason may be is that Seantors Inhofe's chief of staff, Herb Johnson wrote a letter in 1998 sating that Johnson had been told by the head of the FBI command center in OKC the week after the OKC bombing that the DOJ did not want the public to learn of a middle eastern connection to the OKC bombing. I discussed Johnson's letter with Inhofe who has kept this information from the American people for over seven years (Inhofe was told by Johnson about it in 1995). I wrote an article condemning Inhofe about this for FR on 8/11/2000 and I also blamed him for the loss of life for any future attacks (which happened on 9/11/2001). Inhofe sits on the Senate Intelligence COmmittee. The article: "While America Burns, Senator Inhofe Fiddles"

The same FBI agent Carlisle threatened sheriff David Kochendorfer in 1998 over the Sheriff having a news conference stating that on the evening of APril 19, 1995 COngressman Ernest Istook of Oklahoma told him and another sheriff Don HAmmonds that the USG had detailed prior warning on APril 9, 1995 of a ME assisted attack by local ME extremeists in OKC (Hamas & Iraqis&Iranians)). Carlisle falsified his 302 interview report with Kochendorfer just before Kochendoerfer was to testify before the OKC county grand jury investigating the OKC bombing. My wife was also threatened again in 1998 just before Hersley testified before the COunty grand jury.

A federal informant Cary Gagan was given immunity by US attorneys in Denver in early 1995 for information he provided of a terror attack on a Federal building in the Midwest that included the Murrah building and buildings in Denver and Omaha. Gagan had infiltrated the group ( included drug traffickers, ME terrorists and domestic dissidents)who was planning the bombing, Gagan made a delivery of explosives and a mixer to Dwight Kansas a week or so before the OKC bombing he says for the group. Gagan wrote the US attorneys again on APril 3, 1995 specifically warning them of the attack again. Gagan went public with his information which was shown on local and national TV but was rewarded with having his immunity revoked. Gagan has sued in Federal court over the Fiasco. The court records of this entire story are available and I have seen them. William Jasper of the NEw AMerican travelled Gagan's route with Gagan and believes Gagn was reporting on the group who helped do the OKC bombing. Jasper wrote extensively about Gagan in the NEw AMerican in 1998.

Jasper once told me he was specifically threatened by the CIA for his coverage of the OKC bombing and the USG foreknowledge or forewarning.

THe FBI and USG excuse was that they did not know the exact day or hour of the bombing and that they got numerous threats which they could not distinguish between. I believe they are being deceitful because what counts is whether or not the FBI and USG took these threats seriously enough to warn themselves, which they did but did not warn others who were private citizens who went to the social security offices and HUD and day care center and who were killed.

17 posted on 06/20/2002 11:10:18 AM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: OKCSubmariner
I am aware of some of the things you have related. Others I had read in your posts and had forgotten. We've been had on this case. I just learned that we were definately had on TWA 800 as well. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that both of these cases involved government coverup. What's worse, our elected officials know it. There isn't a single excuse for screwing with the public like has been done, except to force the American public to accept fascist policies, like they are. Sorry you've had to deal with this. It's a real shame.
22 posted on 06/20/2002 11:25:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: OKCSubmariner
You have a long-winded, meandering style (I should talk, huh?), but your hard work IS being vindicated by each new "revelation" that pops up through the years.

BTW, the same FBI that covered this up is still intact. How are we supposed to win a "War on Terrorism" or any other kind of war, with this same bunch of characters? I know I touch raw nerves every time I bring that up, because we are supposed to have a new cast, and all, but the fact is, nothing has changed.

26 posted on 06/20/2002 11:37:00 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: agrandis; SierraWasp; Shermy; Fred Mertz; honway; archy; lawdog; thinden; Plummz; MizSterious; ...
Youseff Bodansky of the House Task Force also issued another more detailed memo (not in Soloman story) April 3, 1995 to federal authoritites and some members of COngress of an impending attack on Federal buildings in the US that specifically included the Murrah Building. I contacted the offices of Bodansky and Vaughan Forest(Directors of the Task Force) and COngressman James Saxton(Chairman of the TAsk Force) of New Jersey in 1997 about the warnings and about evidence of a ME involvement.

Schippers referred to this memo in an interview with Jim Quinn that was posted on the FR late last year. THe story may also have been mentioned by James Patterson of the Indy Star in another story posted on FR at the beginning of this year.

Please see reply #17 also.

30 posted on 06/20/2002 12:06:34 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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To: All

THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN
August 11, 1995, Friday CITY EDITION NEWS; Pg. 1

2 Indicted in Bombing McVeigh, Nichols Face 11 Counts; Fortier Pleads Guilty to Lesser Charges Grand Jury Cites "Others" In Conspiracy


This story was written from reports by staff writers Robby Trammell, John Parker, Nolan Clay, Randy Ellis and Chris Casteel.

(snip)

"No matter how thin we make our pancakes, they always have two sides," McVeigh's lead defense attorney, Stephen Jones, said at a news conference. "We urge the public not to accept the grand jury's
actions as the final and definitive answer as to who is behind the Oklahoma City bombing."  Jones, an Enid attorney, also suggested Islamic terrorists might be behind the Oklahoma City attack.

Jones disclosed he has been contacted by a government "informant" who claims to have told FBI agents last September of a plot to bomb federal buildings. Jones said the informant, after being given immunity from prosecution, told FBI agents he had met with American citizens and "either Latin Americans or Arabs" about the plot.

Jones said the informant claims he told the FBI and the U.S. Marshal's office "that a federal building would be blown up or destroyed by a bomb during the middle of April 1995."

"There are obviously other questions that need to be explored," the court-appointed attorney said.

(snip)  (The rest is unrelated to this thread, but I HAD to include the following for posterity.)...

Grand jurors made only one reference to possible unknown co-conspirators.

Agents spent weeks searching for another bomb suspect labeled "John Doe 2" who was thought to have helped rent the bomb truck.

Three sketches were released worldwide.

Agents later concluded the sketches resembled an innocent Army private who had helped a friend rent a similar truck a day later.

But they said then the investigation was continuing into other possible suspects.

Reno said Thursday: "What we will do is pursue every lead based on the evidence, but we have charged everyone involved that we have evidence of at this point. "

The lead prosecutor, Hartzler, said: "The indictment alleges that there are unknown co-conspirators. We will continue the investigation. We will continue it until we determine whether or not there are others who aided and abetted these conspirators that are charged today.

"Obviously, by implication of the indictment, you know that the grand jury found probable cause to believe that there are others who were involved. But bear in mind, the indictment alleges that McVeigh and Nichols planned the bombing, gained the materials, made the bomb and delivered the bomb. "

FBI Director Louis J. Freeh said federal buildings still could not be considered completely safe.

"I think the threat is still present and still significant enough for everyone to be concerned about it," he said.

(Now, wasn't that special?!)


Who was that informant? Carol Howe?

 

41 posted on 06/20/2002 1:43:56 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the ping...we need to get to the bottom of this and demand full disclosure. Bush didn't send everyone out to deny and cover up who made the threats prior to 9-11 so he could blame and attack Iraq for instance. It appears Clinton did just that so he could (as Jesse might say) "contain the blame" to just "whites on the right."

What are the chances that it was just McVeigh by sheer chance that set off a massive bomb at the same federal building that was in the immediate target of Muslim extremists? Anyone for ZERO? Occam's razor cuts right through all the B.S.

"What did President Clinton know and when did he know it?"

"My constituents are now asking these questions!"

47 posted on 06/20/2002 1:58:28 PM PDT by spycatcher
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