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A Few Questions For Die-Hard Bush Supporters
Toogood Reports ^ | June 5, 2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 06/05/2002 1:20:54 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

Let me just say up front that I am not addressing you if you voted for George W. Bush in 2000 and regret it. The same goes for those of you who voted for Bush and insist on holding his feet to the fire on the important issues. If, however, you cast your vote for Bush, still believe he is the only hope for America and intend to support every move he makes without so much as a raised eyebrow, this is for you.

It has been nearly a year-and-a-half since George W. Bush, the savior of conservatism, descended from on high to begin his earthly reign in Washington, D.C. Republicans assured us that he would restore integrity to the White House and would be a marked improvement over the promiscuous Bill Clinton. Well, in all honesty, that could have been accomplished by electing a neutered chimp to the office of president.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, George W. Bush the man proved to be a nice break from Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Unlike Gore, Bush had a more likable...well, he actually had a personality. He also possessed the unique ability to address the American people without the smug and condescending vibe Clinton exuded. However, when it came to policy, George W. Bush the candidate failed to demonstrate that he would govern any differently than his Democrat counterparts.

Still, throughout the campaign, there was a loyal group of Bush supporters who would take offense at even the slightest implication that their candidate was anything but a staunch conservative. Even now, they continue to stand by their man, and I find this to be rather perplexing.

Perhaps those who have pledged their undying allegiance to President Bush could answer a few questions for me, in no particular order of course:

•  How would you have reacted if Bill Clinton had signed the Patriot Act into law and given the government sweeping new surveillance powers?

•  Would you have criticized a Democrat president for signing a $26 billion education-spending bill?

•  Did you feel betrayed when Bush signed Campaign Finance Reform into law?

•  What do you think about Bush's position on granting amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants?

•  Would you have tolerated a Democrat proposal for federally funded faith-based initiatives?

•  What would your reaction have been if a Democrat had said, "No one should have to pay more than a third of their income to the federal government"?

•  What do you think about the president's granting of Permanent Most Favored Nation status to China?

•  What's the difference between Bush and the Democrats on the issue of farm subsidies?

•  How would you react if a Democrat president sent a $2.13 trillion budget to Congress?

•  Would you have stood for a Democrat saying "No!" to arming airline pilots?

•  What would your reaction have been if a Democrat had pushed for the federalization of airport security?

•  Are you willing to stand by and let the Bush administration cater to the environmentalists on the global warming issue?

•  What do you think about Bush's call for a Patient's Bill of Rights?

•  What one thing has Bush done that sets him apart from the Democrats?

•  It's been a year-and-a-half since Bush took office. When do we start to see a decrease in the size and scope of government? For that matter, when do we start to see even a remote indication that this administration will think about doing anything to try to limit the federal government?

This list is by no means exhaustive, but I would really be interested in some answers. Perhaps it would help shed some light on the mindset of modern compassionate conservatives.

The fact that a Republican president is governing like a Democrat isn't surprising. What's amazing to me is that there are a few select Bush supporters out there who cannot—or will not—utter one word of criticism against their president for any reason. In their minds this man is the epitome of conservatism, and to question his actions would be to question their own beliefs and cause them to wonder why they supported him in the first place.

The way I see it there can only be two explanations for this: 1) these people really and truly believe in what Bush is doing, or 2) they do not wish to face up to the real reason they voted for him — he was simply a slightly more palatable choice than Al Gore.



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To: Eagle Eye
Can't you read? You are not going to do that to me like you have others! I don't have a problem with disagreement and never have had! My problem is with bashing with no facts to back it up except speculation and using the NY Times, WP, and LA Times for sources! I don't like to be bashed or have the man I support bashed.

For your information, bashing is sure a heck of lot different than an honest disagreement. Have you read where I said I didn't like the Education bill? That was a bill supported by Bush! Have a honest disagreement and stop the personal insults -- try facts for a change! Now do you comprehend the difference?

321 posted on 06/05/2002 5:32:29 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: My2Cents
The same folks who think Bush is a socialist think Lincoln was a totalitarian.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing! In fact, I'm suprised I haven't been flamed yet for mentioning his name. But then the night is young. I'm sure someone will get around to it. In fact, I think I'll go get into my asbestos underwear now...

322 posted on 06/05/2002 5:32:41 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I am one who believes in the right man in the right place at the right time. Like Truman ending World War Two or JFK ending the Cuban Missle Crysis. I feel that we should stay the course with OUR PRESIDENT and see ourselves clear of the ever present dangers that can infiltrate our nation and harm and destroy our way of life. At the moment, a Texan with a gun on his hip, makes me feel better for my family and myself. So enough with the score card on OUR PRESIDENT and let the man do what to me is the most important thing right now and that is to clean up Dodge so peace loving folks can enjoy life again.
323 posted on 06/05/2002 5:34:00 PM PDT by crazyhorseoglala
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To: SerpentDove
I believe it is the role of the judiciary to judge the constitutionality of legislation, not the President.

Over on This thread Was a discussion of whether or not the AG should enforce unconstituional laws. Post 17 was, imo, excellent.

My input was that even Army privates are expected to know which orders are illegal and are OBLIGATED to disobey those orders. Can we expect less from the President?

324 posted on 06/05/2002 5:34:41 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Eagle Eye
>>My input was that even Army privates are expected to know which orders are illegal and are OBLIGATED to disobey those orders. Can we expect less from the President?<<

Common sense would indicate so. :-)

325 posted on 06/05/2002 5:35:49 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: William Tell
His oath of Office requires him to "Uphold the Constitution to the best of his ability" he is not the final arbitor, nor is he a lawyer (Thank God), It is the responsibility of the SCOTUS to decide what's constituional, otherwise we wouldn't have a SCOTUS to begin with. You see, the founding fathers were aware that the Congress and the President can't be expected to define the Constitution or change it, The POTUS is required to uphold the laws on the Books not define them.
326 posted on 06/05/2002 5:36:55 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Eagle Eye
Here's the post you referred to:

"Separation of powers requires that he not enforce laws which he thinks are unconstitutional. The legislature passes laws. If the executives and judiciary enforced and tried ALL of them, all the time, no matter what, then they have no power, it all rests in the legislature. Suppose the legislature passes Jim Crow laws, or the Jews have to get on cattle cars. Only those who can say that "I was was only following orders" is a valid defense can make a case that the police and AG MUST enforce all laws, no matter what.

Once a law is passed, the executive may or may not enforce, the judiciary may or may not try, and the jury may or may not convict, and having convicted, may or may not sentence. Only the jailer has the duty to do what he is ordered to do - that's the separation of powers."

Thank you.

327 posted on 06/05/2002 5:37:59 PM PDT by SerpentDove
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To: Howlin
They way they are going, the word "conservative" is never going to mean anything except mean and nasty anyway.

Sad to say I am beginning to believe that more and more! I am tired of beating my head against a brick wall trying to drum up support for the 2002 elections when all a lot of folks want to do is bash Pres Bush and Republicans! I, too, am a proud Republican!

328 posted on 06/05/2002 5:38:04 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Stand Watch Listen;Uncle Bill
I'm still waiting for the FINAL WORD from UB.
331 posted on 06/05/2002 5:41:29 PM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: ruoflaw
ref: your 159....his name is billybudd for crying out loud so don't expect to understand him...LOL

LOL .. I have to admit I just shook my head when I read that one

332 posted on 06/05/2002 5:42:10 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: PsyOp
I would also like to add that in times of war, the federal government has always assumed additional powers, only to return them to the people when the war is over.

That is a good one! Almost made me laugh, it did. Where did you study history, Propaganda U? If I steal a dollar from you and then give back a quarter, am I a thief?

333 posted on 06/05/2002 5:42:21 PM PDT by ridensm
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To: Southack
Seems to me that Bush does "One from Column "A" and then One from Column "B" -----

"GWB killed federal funding of foreign "family planning" activities."--

True, but where do the "Stem Cells" come from?

Bush OKs Stem Cell Funding
By Kristen Philipkoski


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1:40 p.m. Aug. 9, 2001 PDT
President Bush will allow the government, with certain restrictions, to fund embryonic stem cell research, a decision that could help scientists find cures to several ailments, but could cost the President votes among conservatives.

334 posted on 06/05/2002 5:42:36 PM PDT by rdavis84
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
That's my point -- why are we getting all of this type of bashing articles -- if it is not bashing Bush it is bashing Bush supporters. I want to know WHY?
335 posted on 06/05/2002 5:44:14 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
My problem is that, IMO, the word "bash" is so over used that I don't know when it applies and when it doesn't. It is such a non-specific word, especially when applied to "Bush bashers" that I honestly don't know to whom it applies.

Frankly, I haven't seen very many ardent Bush supporters that accepted a differing point of view with any grace. From my perspective, any criticism is responded to with sharp insults like anti-American, America hater, marxist, commie, whiner, etc. Of course there is no objective support for any of those charges.

Part of the problem is that many people convinced themselves that Bush was a Conservative despite the warnings to the contrary. Now it's gotten to the point where Conservatives like Rush are Hannity are unwlecome because they are pointing out their disagreements with Bush policies. They haven't changed, and neither has Bush, he just is't the Conservative people thought he was and wanted him to be.

The bigger challenge is what, if anything, can be done.

336 posted on 06/05/2002 5:44:33 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: PhiKapMom
Seems to me last year there was some warning given about an infiltration of Liberal Dems and people from DU coming onto FR. it seems it has happened and the one's who have been here for some time who don't know and understand aregetting caught up in the wave. I guess it's no loss, it really cleans out the party of vassilating Americans.
337 posted on 06/05/2002 5:47:14 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Southack
Frankly, if you aren't aware of all that GWB has done to advance the Conservative movement (including implementing steel tariffs in order to encourage European nationalism via trade wars), then you simply aren't Conservative.

What a ridiculous statement to make. Sounds like cheap ad slogan. The funny thing is, given your relentless shilling for Bush, I seriously doubt you would know what “conservative” is if it came up and bit you on the nose. For the most part, the conservative issues you listed that Bush enacted is a pathetic laundry list of trivial, arcane policy decisions that, on balance, are relatively unimportant.

Let's see how Bush has fared on Conservative issues that MATTER.

Conservative Presidents DON’T:

Sign an unconstitutional cynically named campaign finance reform bill that limits free speech, especially after promising not to do so.

Sign a budget-busting, pork-laden farm bill.

Sign a multi-billion dollar Ted Kennedy-NEA “approved” education bill that excludes vouchers.

Approve a federal budget that grows government well in excess of the growth in the economy.

Agree with the environmental wackos that mankind is causing global warming.

Leave our borders unprotected as hundreds of thousand of illegal aliens invade America every year and terrorists that wish to harm America are on the loose.

Pursue amnesty for illegal aliens that rewards them for breaking our laws and makes it easier for terrorists to get green cards.

Ban law enforcement officials from racial profiling in airports—even if a person looks “suspicious”

Refuse to enforce our nation’s immigration laws.

Appoint an Open Borders Libertarian (Ziglar) who admits he doesn’t like the idea of enforcing our nation's immigration laws.

Let Mexican Politicos like Fox openly mettle in our domestic affairs with impunity.

Refuse to round up and deport over 100,000 Muslim immigrants that have been served deportation notices.

Trample on privacy rights by signing a miss-named Patriot Act while still allowing immigration at the SAME RATES from the very nations that brought us 9/11.

338 posted on 06/05/2002 5:48:59 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Eagle Eye
Well said, bro.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

339 posted on 06/05/2002 5:49:12 PM PDT by wku man
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To: Eagle Eye;phi kap mom
Have you used the term "bot", at all?
340 posted on 06/05/2002 5:49:27 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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