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California: Court says "Pass budget or cut spending"
The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Thursday, May 30, 2002 | Mark Martin, Greg Lucas, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau

Posted on 05/30/2002 12:04:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:20 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Sacramento -- An appeals court on Wednesday severely restricted the state's ability to spend money -- including financing for schools -- if the governor has not signed a new budget by the July 1 deadline.

The California Court of Appeal in Los Angeles also said state workers could be paid only the federal minimum wage if the Legislature and Gov. Gray Davis fail to come up with a budget when the new fiscal year begins.


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; calpowercrisis; davis; democrats; election2002; powercrisis
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To: John Jorsett
The state constitution requires a 2/3 vote to pass the budget

The state constitution also requires a 2/3 vote of the legislature AND a majority vote of the people to borrow more than $300,000. Davis intends to wipe his hindquarters with that section of the constitution, too.

Why no lawsuit over the $6 billion bond issue or the $8 billion Revenue Anticipation Warrants, eh?

41 posted on 05/30/2002 2:32:10 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: dpwiener
Davis is known for being long on promise, short on follow-through.
42 posted on 05/30/2002 2:39:44 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: snopercod;all
Good questions, anyone got any answers?
43 posted on 05/30/2002 2:42:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
You've been busy today Ernest! I see that the bond issue is back up to $11 billion from $6.5 billion only two weeks ago. I never did understand the $6.5 billion figure. My head is spinning like a frog in a blender...
44 posted on 05/30/2002 3:11:42 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: Dog Gone
Well said. This is an amazingly fortuitous ruling. Sweet!
45 posted on 05/30/2002 3:22:31 PM PDT by Southack
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To: snopercod
Not totally done with school yet , but closer, of course my head hurts though!

Went looking, for some answers and found this:

The Gray budget

Excerpts follow---

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Gov. Gray Davis can no longer use smoke and mirrors to dodge his way out of the state's budget hole, as it has now sunk to an unavoidable $23.6 billion. But he's still doing what he does best.

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46 posted on 05/30/2002 3:58:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Southack;Dog gone;snopercod;Grampa dave;liz;;Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Gophack; eureka!...
The Chronicle could not bear to tell us some details on the reason and parties behind this case:

State Controller Kathleen Connell and the state employees' union pledged to fight the ruling, which stems from a 1998 case pitting Connell against a taxpayer advocacy group. The group contends that state officials can't dole out money if there is no budget in place.

This has the detail:

California: Court says schools to lose if budget is late

This is not a trivial little court case,

The ruling in a 4-year-old lawsuit filed by the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association comes as legislators, faced with a record $23.6 billion budget gap, are battling over a proposal by Gov. Gray Davis to raise taxes and cut health and welfare programs.

47 posted on 05/30/2002 4:30:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: laredo44
You mean there would be consequences if the legislature and executive didn't obey the law? What a novel idea!

Even fedral mandates are a violation of the 10th amendment.

48 posted on 05/30/2002 4:35:41 PM PDT by johnny reb
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To: BornOnTheFourth
I thought that you were a web developer by day? Are you working for the state?
49 posted on 05/30/2002 4:50:51 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Dave S
What makes you think under all that pressure that they wont just raise taxes?

I hope they do. As in other communist states, the rising taxes and diminishing services will lead people to emmigrate.

Come to Florida! My current employer moved from Sacremento a year ago, to escape the oppression there. Just picked up his small business and moved.

NO state income taxes, "shall issue" CCW law, "Right to employ law" (no unions), 70+ MPH speed limits, no emmision checks, and the latin population does NOT hate your guts.

I could go on and on...

6 years ago I lived in the SF bay area, and threw up too many times to stay.

High tech medical device company. :)

50 posted on 05/30/2002 4:59:49 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The California Court of Appeal in Los Angeles also said state workers could be paid only the federal minimum wage if the Legislature and Gov. Gray Davis fail to come up with a budget when the new fiscal year begins.

I would say that is a "bit" more than news. Let's see how all the Democrat-oriented public employees deal with federal minimum wage! That should be real interesting!

51 posted on 05/30/2002 7:09:48 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: MonroeDNA
If we didn't have our families/ grandkids and friends here, I would be very tempted to move to the Eastern Coast of Florida about 60 to 100 miles below Cape Kennedy. I forget the names of the couple of nice medium size cities in that area.

Live there except from May to September (get a condo on the SW coast of Oregon for those four to five hot/humid months).

We have a friend who was transferred to the Jacksonville area about 12 years ago. He hated it at first and so did his two children. Now he wouldn't leave there. His kids plan to stay in Florida when they finish college. He fly fishes and loves that area. He comes out here to N. Kali and Oregon about 2 weeks each year to fly fish for salmon and trout.

54 posted on 05/30/2002 11:19:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: BornOnTheFourth
It's not really funny when you're a single mom and bringing home minimum wage won't pay the bills. Not funny at all.

Let's get real. She has at her disposal:

HUD Section 8 Housing assistance
Child support from the father(s) of her child/children
AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Free school breakfasts, lunches
Free after school child care
State and Federal Tax "earned income" credits
Free/low cost medical, dental, vision
Subsidized public transportation
Welfare
Private charities - they give away food bags in my town, no questions asked
Assistance from family & friends

Bottom line: your single-parent example, in many cases, has a higher effective income, than many of the so called middle-class workers.

I'll wager tht most California poverty households have two color televisions, VCRs, cell phones, plenty to eat, sleep under a roof with heat & air conditioning.

55 posted on 05/30/2002 11:40:24 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Dog Gone; John Jorsett; MonroeDNA; nodirtydemocrats; truth_seeker
I'm at lunch and decide to see what's happening at FR. My moment of panic has generated some interesting responses, so I'll address them:

So, relax and enjoy the political pressure being put on a bunch of Democrats. This is great!

Dog Gone, you're right! I'm not going to worry (too much) about it. Watching Red Davis squirm will be fun.

John Jorsett, you're correct as well. I don't think the Rats will want the possiblity of ticking off the state-worker voter base.

MonroeDNA, Yep.

nodirtydemocrats, heeelllllloooooooooo!!!!! What an assumption. State worker==Democrat. WRONG! I have NEVER voted for a socialist/Rat and never will.

truth_seeker, wow. I sure struck a nerve, eh? I WORK for the state, not feeload. I don't and never have received public assistance. I didn't go to school and work my bum off to do so. I make decent money and am not complaining. To read in the paper that the actions of the elected ones could reduce that drastically, even temporarily, caused me to panic. If, because they don't pass the budget, I do get minimum wage for a month or so, I'll make it work. so chill...

56 posted on 05/31/2002 12:46:27 PM PDT by BornOnTheFourth
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To: BornOnTheFourth
I don't think it could possibly last that long, but if you somehow actually started receiving a paycheck in July for minimum wage, I suspect you'd be offered free grace periods by your creditors, and maybe even interest free loans. People would climbing over each other to prevent the spectacle of even a single state worker losing their house or apartment because they couldn't pay the mortgage or rent.

Heck, your "victim" status might turn out to be a plus, not to mention the fact that as soon as the budget is signed you'd get retroactive pay.

So, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to hope that no budget is signed by July 1, and then call up your local television station to volunteer to be one of the "victims" for the local newscast. Come up with lots of terrible things that are happening. You can't afford medicine. The pet doesn't have it's special diet anymore and may die. Your mother in Kansas who depends on your support may lose her house.

And you just can't believe all this cruelty is CAUSED BY THE DEMOCRATS in Sacramento, LOL!

57 posted on 05/31/2002 1:00:50 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: BornOnTheFourth
truth_seeker, wow. I sure struck a nerve, eh? I WORK for the state, not feeload. I don't and never have received public assistance. I didn't go to school and work my bum off to do so. I make decent money and am not complaining.

I used to work as an engineer for the federal government, and flatter myself that I was at least as productive and dedicated as those in the private sector. However, after 6 years of seeing the incompetent, the drones, and the time-servers tolerated and even rewarded, I got out. I now work for myself and am much happier for it. I set my own hours, buy my own equipment and software, figure out how best to accomplish the job properly, and I don't have to carry the load of peers who can't handle the work. Best decision I ever made. It's certainly not for everyone (I have no dependents, so if I end up living in a refrigerator box behind the YMCA, I'm the only one who'll be affected.)

58 posted on 05/31/2002 1:00:54 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Dog Gone
LOL!!! I thought I'd call Red Davis' office and ask HIM to call Wamu and explain why they won't be getting the mortgage check on time ;-o. Think he'd do it??? Nah. Now, don't mess with my puppies ;-)
59 posted on 05/31/2002 1:09:42 PM PDT by BornOnTheFourth
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To: John Jorsett
LOL!!! Yes, it's different when you have a dependent. I chose this job over higher paying jobs because of the security and bennies. We work hard and I really enjoy it here. That said, lunch is over...

;-)

60 posted on 05/31/2002 1:10:48 PM PDT by BornOnTheFourth
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