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U.S. Prepares 'Big-Time' Response To Famine - Impact of African crisis could be felt at White House
USA Today | May 1, 2002 | Bill Nichols

Posted on 05/02/2002 9:59:10 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

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To: Miss Marple
Destabilizing Mugabe is the only option that makes sense.
61 posted on 05/02/2002 12:24:56 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Miss Marple
Thanks for a thoughtful and honest answer.

However, it looks like another "meals on wheels" and nationbuilding mission, complete with UN involvement. I reject these roles as legitimate US foreign policy.

62 posted on 05/02/2002 12:28:15 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Excellent post. If someone here gets upset because we're tired of the freebies for the murderous dictators of the world, that's just too damn bad.
63 posted on 05/02/2002 12:30:15 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: hopespringseternal
Yeah, it's funny how quickly some here have forgotten about Somalia. But hey, if they can be an ally, let's just overlook the past. NOT!
64 posted on 05/02/2002 12:38:15 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: dougherty
Somalia was fine until CLINTON got involved and expanded the mission.
65 posted on 05/02/2002 12:47:16 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: freeeee
I don't like "meals on wheels" except as short-term emergency aid, as in the case of earthquakes. For famine, you must have a long-term solution.

Destabilization of the most corrupt regimes would certainly be supported by a lot of Europe, at least in the case of Zimbabwe.

I also think there is an opportunity to control resources in those countries through purchase of shares in their mining industries with food aid...sort of an investment, if you will.

The current method of giving aid provides no long-term results (at least positive ones). I favor doing something that gets Africa on the road to being able to take care of itself and exploit its potential.

66 posted on 05/02/2002 12:51:47 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I also think there is an opportunity to control resources in those countries through purchase of shares in their mining industries with food aid...sort of an investment, if you will..

I was about to say “that’s the whole problem…” except the litany of problems in Africa seems to be endless.
No one wants to invest in Africa because not only is labor, transportation, supply chains etc., completely unreliable, but there’s no guarantee of rule of law. In fact, chances are any investment made in one of these countries will just be “repatriated” to “war veterans” or some other flunky of the dictator.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

67 posted on 05/02/2002 1:11:59 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Robert Mugabe already has $2 billion in Swiss accounts

Let's seize that money, buy food, and get our soldiers to distribute it to the people.

68 posted on 05/02/2002 1:13:44 PM PDT by Squawk 8888
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To: Stand Watch Listen
...where relief efforts are centering on food shortages caused by a severe drought disgustingly racist and blatantly dictatorial government in six countries: Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Swaziland, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

Can't speak for the other countries, but Mugabe's policies are the problem in Zimbabwe. May he achieve the same fate as Mussolini.

69 posted on 05/02/2002 1:15:17 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Miss Marple
I guess a lot of people forget that we want Africa to be on OUR side, instead of that of China or the terrrorists. Letting mass starvation occur will not help the USA, that's for sure. Plus, if we have the resources to help, it would be very wrong to let millions of innocent people suffer because of their corrupt and evil leaders.

Knowing you to be an intelligent and thoughtful person by your insightful posts, I have to ask if you've forgotten the lessons of The Ugly American by William J. Lederer and Eugene Burdick.

American governmental largesse contributed through thugs like Mugabe is going to be used AGAINST America, not for us.

We have the resources to help everybody - but who are we obligated to help? And how? The best thing we could do for Zimbabwe, if we assume intervention is right, is to launch a sufficient invasion force to take out his entire government and summarily execute the "war veterans" who are robbing, killing and raping Zimbabwe. Once some kind of government was established, as opposed to a "thugocracy", meaningful food aid could be given.

Giving food aid while the racist Marxists are in power will only strengthen their hand and prolong the country's agony.

70 posted on 05/02/2002 1:30:06 PM PDT by jimt
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To: WhiteGuy
"As opposed to your would-be president Mr. Gore?"

"Nice try, no chance..."

"You couldn't pay me to vote for bush or gore"

Oh, a Libertarian eh? Like that's any better!

71 posted on 05/02/2002 1:31:09 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: Squawk 8888
I would have no objection to that. Sound like a good plan to me, if you could get the Swiss to cooperate.
72 posted on 05/02/2002 1:50:06 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: jimt
If you will read the rest of my posts on this thread, you will see that I do NOT advocate giving money to Mugabe, but rather destabilizing his regime.

I have not forgotten the lessons of The Ugly American but other countries use that reputation to their advantage. The trick is how to outfox them and save some lives.

73 posted on 05/02/2002 1:53:26 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: JMS
The obvious solution is the re-colonization of Africa. Depose the dictators!

The colonial powers left Africa a couple of centuries too early.

74 posted on 05/02/2002 2:24:48 PM PDT by adx
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To: jimt
Can't speak for the other countries, but Mugabe's policies are the problem in Zimbabwe…

As an Africa Watch junkie, I can tell you that Mugabe’s policies are the problem in all these countries. Rhodesia used to be a major exporter of food to all the countries that are embarking on this horrific famine. Now, due to his racist, marxist, syphilis fueled insanity, the entirety of Sub Saharan Africa is suffering.

On the bright side, it’s the first opportunity for many of us to have a front row seat to the anatomy of a famine.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

75 posted on 05/02/2002 6:28:37 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: Destructor
"Oh, a Libertarian eh? Like that's any better!"

In my opinion, yes it is better.....

Furthermore, and most importantly, sending even a dime of
our (US) hard earned income to africa is wrong.

There is nothing compassionate or conservative about our leaders taking
what does not belong to them and giving it to anyone who has not earned it.

76 posted on 05/03/2002 11:06:01 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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