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THE OTHER VAN DAM STORY(New article from San Diego will have V.D. PR machine will be in overdrive!)
San Diego Online ^ | May 1, 2002 | Thomas K. Arnold

Posted on 05/01/2002 4:03:29 PM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: ~kim4vrwc's~,jaded,spectre,fresnoDA
As a matter of fact, the first time I was exposed to this type of pornography was back around 1977.

Many of these 'porn' images are from photographs that old, I believe.

After reading the article posted here,

http://64.225.95.82/dcf/Danielle/2038.html

It seems like the kind of organizing into folders and subfolders that would be set up on the site where these files were downloaded from.

Even so, in the testimony that I saw, they have not been able to get anyone in Law Enforcement to unequivocably say that those images were of ' underage' girls. The fact that they appeared to be underage is the biggest selling point of the images. That is why the vendor/website advertizes them as the following:

PRE-TEEN
GIRLS WITH FARM ANIMALS
FAMILY AFFAIRS
YOUNG LOLITAS

etc....

Now, let me ask you this, anyone. Do you think that if these images REALLY contained underage kids, the Mag vendors, movie vendors, websites, COULD CONTINUE TO SELL THEM, MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO DOWNLOAD and VIEW from the INTERNET, it that were really the case. Don't you think that our LEO's would have been after them (since this exact stuff has been available for 25 years or more).

Did the public think Westerfield might have taken these pictures himself ?, or gotten them from a source that no one else in the U.S. has?

Sorry to be so graphic, but it is funny, almost, to see how a large section of the FR readership, and the general public can be swayed , and not think of some of the more obvious things.

LIKE, what were the other 63,900 images of, if only 100 were porn?

Were they are related to images of a sexual nature ?

If you got onto a website and downloaded 64000 images of country scenes, they would probably be organized into folders by type, doncha think?

Would that mean (or prove) because they were organized into folders, that YOU were anal-retentive (neat freak)? These are the questions the sheep dare not ask.

181 posted on 05/02/2002 9:18:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
And a HUGE THANK YOU to you UCANSEE2. That's what I was trying to point out in #178.
182 posted on 05/02/2002 9:22:27 PM PDT by Jaded
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To: UCANSEE2,Jaded
Hi Guys! I bet you are right and hit the nail on the head... I've downloaded organized zip files for various reasons. IE:Games, animated mouse pointers/trailers for my webpage. Makes perfect sense. Now, to the files other than the 100. Look at this and tell me what you think. They've categorized the porn into 2 subjects.
1)Under 18, which supports their child porn charge.
2)And the rest of the porn helps prove intent. (as quoted earlier..between attny and judge mudd)

Lastly, you pointed out legal ways of selling/producing online porn. Ah, there's also the non-commericial porn files... IE:homemade stuff, black market stuff, free stuff: all of which does not fall under commercial law/business law?...the list can go on and on..right?

183 posted on 05/02/2002 10:19:22 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: Jaded
Testimony in the PH disputes the mr-clean-ocd-anal-retentive-neat-freak story

What's the dispute? I've missed it. Can you help me find the list of chemicals or whatever it was that was referred to? Was it in the transcripts..I'm too tired to think tonight. Will see ya tomorrow.

184 posted on 05/02/2002 10:24:11 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I can tell you this. Many inground pools have a chlorine treatment system. HTH is the brand of chemicals usually sold to put in a treatment system like this. They are big blue pills you put into a filter/recirculation pump and storage tank.

This tank is usually in a heated environment to protect it from freezing in winter. (like your garage).

The HTH pills are essentially CHLORINE TABLETS. The pool is supposed to be checked for Chlorine content and PH balance. I suppose you could even use Chlorox Bleach instead of HTH tablets.

You would have a odor of chlorine in your garage NO MATTER WHAT.

Some people and public pools keep Chlorox bleach near the pool with a foot sized pan for each person to step into before entering the pool. THIS IS TO CUT DOWN ON TRANSMITTAL OF ATHLETE'S FOOT to OTHERS ! ! ! ! ! ! !

185 posted on 05/02/2002 10:38:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~,Jaded,Spectre,FresnoDa
If Westerfield was a purv, who stayed in his house and watched PORN on his computer, (which doesn't make sense since he could buy videos and watch them on a portable tv in his motorhome) why wasn't this stuff loaded on the hard drive of his PC? He would have to put in this ZIPDISK and unzip the files, one at a time, to look at them.

SORRY, NO SALE ON THIS.

I think, once again, that the police and DA were under the gun to calm the public, assure their re-election, and so they locked on a target and put pieces together even if the parts didn't really fit together correctly. A little glue, tape, and some scissors, and they got them to stick together. The picture is a little distorted, but as long as the public is happy, who cares.

186 posted on 05/02/2002 10:45:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
I thought I'd check in after I got done with my emails.. We just bought an above ground pool last summer...it's pretty large. Takes 3-4 chlorine tablets at time..we expect to use more this year cuz of our kids friends coming over. but they are normally stored in a sealed container. Our tablets are sealed in a plastic wrapper individually..and then stored in a plastic bucket. I agree that they have an odor..I would never mistake them for bleach smell.. whew!!!
187 posted on 05/02/2002 10:47:44 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: UCANSEE2
did I misread it? I didn't realize they said he didn't have any on the harddrive.. g'nite for real!
188 posted on 05/02/2002 10:49:04 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~,Jaded,Spectre,FresnoDa
I believe the story was this.

60,000 or more graphic images files on a ZIP DISK found on a bookshelf.
2200 MPEG files, and I don't believe it was specified what was contained in these movie files.

Pictures of his ladyfriend's daughter stored as graphic images on the hard drive of his computer.

During the testimony, if you didn't pay real close attention, you would not have noticed they said this. You could easily assume the Danielle bathing suit image was on the porn zipdisk.

189 posted on 05/02/2002 10:55:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
If Westerfield was a purv, who stayed in his house and watched PORN on his computer, (which doesn't make sense since he could buy videos and watch them on a portable tv in his motorhome) why wasn't this stuff loaded on the hard drive of his PC? He would have to put in this ZIPDISK and unzip the files, one at a time, to look at them.

I think you make another point..If the man was addicted to "young girls" or porn in general, He would have had other things in his home. Did they find illegal kiddy porn mag? CD's or tapes. This was a single male. He had no wife to hide sexual material from.

Fresno's swinging posts made me curious enough to go check some out..my goodness they keep popping out at you, opening new windows.. You could end up with tons of stuff on your computer without trying. What else do they have?

190 posted on 05/02/2002 11:00:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: UCANSEE2
That's been my point about the porn. Yeah, it was there, yeah it was on a disk, but it hadn't appeared to be accessed recently or regularly. If he was so into it wouldn't there have been more or some on the computers themselves. It's just more sensationalism.
191 posted on 05/03/2002 5:12:50 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, if you're going to respond to one of my posts, please either respond to it directly (by clicking on the "post reply" button directly under the post) or by referencing it in the post. It's difficult to know what you're talking about unless you do so.

Nevertheless, I did go back until I found my post. And in all the testimony that you just posted, please point out to me where it says that all the images they looked at were porn. Quote from the transcripts, if you can find it. They describe what was in the 100 or less images they found questionable, but do not seem to call the rest of the images "porn." People are ass-u-me ing things that aren't in the testimony, unless you can find a direct reference to 67,000 porn images.

192 posted on 05/03/2002 6:29:52 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: FresnoDA
So what, this was my theory from day 1...he wanted to be part of the action. SO WHAT?
193 posted on 05/03/2002 6:33:15 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: FresnoDA
From your article: "Westerfield's lawyers have hinted that the couple was also involved in wife-swapping."

WESTERFIELD'S LAWYERS? That's a hoot, Fresno! These reporters have, themselves, printed these "hints" in various newspaper articles--you've posted some just yesterday! So now they're pulling a "Kimmee" and blaming the lawyers? Oh, that's sad.

...almost makes ya wonder how many of these reporters belong to the CB Swing Club....

194 posted on 05/03/2002 6:33:59 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim, why is it that when sex is involved, men become like crazed animals. They can't separate the two...the Swinging and the Murder. It really makes you wonder about the way men think.
195 posted on 05/03/2002 6:34:56 AM PDT by Hildy
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
It gets disputed every time it comes up. Go figure.
197 posted on 05/03/2002 6:40:06 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Your quote still does not prove that all 67,000 images were porn. Please re-read the transcript, including the portions you've quoted. Especially those portions. Do not put words in their mouths. Read them for what they are. They say images, not porn images. They describe what I call the "gross 100" in some detail, as delicately as they can, but they also say that of the 67,000 - 68,000 images, less than one hundred might be questionable. And of those, none (i.e., zilch, nada, zero, goose-egg, nuttin') are kiddie porn.
198 posted on 05/03/2002 6:40:07 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"I never said they weren't swingers."

Good standup material, Kim. Trying out for the Comedy Club? Every time someone mentioned they were swingers, you started screeching "rumor!" Guess what? Some rumors are true. Especially a "rumor with legs" like this one, and, to use a subject people on Free Republic know all too well, consider the stained blue dress "rumor" from a couple years back.

199 posted on 05/03/2002 6:44:24 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"at some point it says less than 100 appeared to be under 18."

Kim, pretty please, READ THE BLEEPIN' TRANSCRIPTS? It says no such thing. It says less than 100 of the images were questionable. It says NONE of the images were child porn. Sheesh.

200 posted on 05/03/2002 6:47:06 AM PDT by MizSterious
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