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Learn the Facts about Hunting
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Posted on 04/08/2002 4:23:46 PM PDT by Sungirl

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To: Sungirl
Yes your right, by that logic Environmentalist should be prosecuted. I have no problem with them exercising Free Speech, I just want to prosecute them for their Crimes against Man and Nature.

Hunters and Farmers should sit on the jury since the environmentalist tried to project the harm they caused on them.

421 posted on 04/12/2002 9:34:56 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
There is no global warming...and the palestinians should move...maybe to afghanistan? :).

I also wonder why there are many laws against poaching or killing endangered animals ..or why there are seperate seasons and limits for duck, pheasant, deer, etc. if it wasn't a problem. I bet there would be nothing left...like so many endangered animals. I have often posted my story of this man I worked with whose father in law told him better come hunting with him and his regular group.... because they are going to get a cougar....bcause as he explained.."There aren't many of them left you know."

422 posted on 04/12/2002 10:27:08 AM PDT by Sungirl
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To: Sungirl
There are so few Cougars that they have to kill them to keep them under control? And when wolf or cougar or any other animals was in low number the hunting was stopped.

Your logic concerning seasons and poaching prove my point. We manage the situation, Hunting itself is not a problem as long as it is managed. And it is, sure some people break the law and hunt illegally. Should we take your car because some other people drive drunk?

Environmentalist are the ones you should be condemning, they are the ones who really hurt the environment and destroy lives in the process. Last I checked Man was still a member of Nature. And man is the only one trying to save others! Plenty of creatures died off long before we were any danger!

423 posted on 04/12/2002 11:18:05 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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Roger Ebert wrote a good line today:

Except in Boulder, where all living species dine on tofu, trail mix and bottled water, human beings are the only voluntary vegetarians. All other species dine on their favorite foods without a moment's concern about how their favorite foods feel about that.

424 posted on 04/12/2002 11:45:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Sungirl
Ok...so tell me. Ever kill an animal just for the hell of it while hunting? LIke a squirrel....raccoon, rabbit, crow? See.....if I ask every poster in here who hunts that same question....do you think they will tell me the truth to verify how I feel? I don't think so. But for many years of working with and living around hunters..........they not only tell their stories to eachother.....they brag.

In responding, I guess I’m *amned for any answer I give. If you operate on the assumption that any hunter on FR will lie to you, why ask the question?

Based on my experience, both from hunters I know and what I read, your assumptions are false. If your’s is as you stated it in several posts, hunters killing wantonly for target practice, it may be the caliber of people you’ve worked with or lived around.

Seasons don’t exist because most hunters poach. They’re there to manage and protect game. Without wildlife management, you wouldn’t have wildlife to worry about, not due to sportsmen, but to commercial hunting. And without sportsmen you wouldn’t have wildlife management.

Your third hand cougar story is certainly suspect, but assuming he had a license, they weren’t very rare where he was hunting. Maybe you should change the story to something like “he said we’ll mount the head and throw the rest away”. Fit’s your agenda better. Fortunately cougar populations are advancing.

425 posted on 04/12/2002 2:43:07 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Free Trapper
Go squirrel hunting and not eat the squirrels?That just flat out don't make no dang sense at all does it?

That's what my friend says, though I don't know about his license, he might be a poacher


426 posted on 04/12/2002 2:45:20 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Nick Danger
I don't know any details, he didn't go into it. I got the sense that the idea was that periodic breakdowns in the social order due to wars and whatnot were inevitable, so evey kid should know how to go into the forest and kill to eat, just in case.

Makes some sense, though it takes a lot of knowledge to really sustain yourself that way for any period of time.

427 posted on 04/12/2002 2:46:56 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: junta
Ill be hunting elk this year again I might even hunt with my bmg this year. I alway wanted to do that. 700 grain hp

sweet
428 posted on 04/12/2002 2:50:02 PM PDT by ezo4
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To: Free Trapper
You remember correctly. In fact, it was nearly impossible to get a non resident tag. You still have to draw for a buck, but I believe you can buy antlerless tags over the counter.
429 posted on 04/12/2002 3:05:06 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: Terriergal
Don't get me wrong. There is only the slightest twinge of guilt about extinguishing any life. That doesn't mean I hesitate for a second to pull the trigger. I still get so excited about opening day that sleep the night before is almost impossible.

Just like I grow my own vegetables, there is something highly satisfying about harvesting your own meat. I think you appreciate your meals a lot more when you participate in the process - beyond going to the supermarket and picking out a steak. Ya know?!

430 posted on 04/12/2002 3:10:37 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: CarolAnn
Don't get me wrong. There is only the slightest twinge of guilt about extinguishing any life.

Could that "slightest twinge of guilt" be a function of respect for the complex web you've become a part of by taking that deer's life, rather that "guilt"? At least, that's how I see it.

431 posted on 04/12/2002 4:00:21 PM PDT by SJackson
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432 posted on 04/12/2002 4:30:46 PM PDT by Liberty Teeth
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To: SJackson
"Could that "slightest twinge of guilt" be a function of respect for the complex web you've become a part of by taking that deer's life, rather that "guilt"?"

I'll buy that ;)

433 posted on 04/12/2002 5:16:27 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: SJackson
I guess I shouldn't have called it a guilty feeling. When you feel guilty about something, you don't do it again. I think it's just a healthy respect for the life taken.
434 posted on 04/12/2002 5:20:00 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: CarolAnn;Terriergal
Terriergal beware!I spent enough time in Kansas to know if a Kansas gal goes to huggin' on you,the next thing that happens,she knows all your good fishing holes,has you climbing trees going after...Ooops,never mind,you won't have the same problems I did.
435 posted on 04/12/2002 7:51:37 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper
I don't really give a hoot about yer fishin' hole, but you'd better guard that spot where you find your morel mushrooms!

People here can be talked into revealing their best fishing holes, or where they shot that huge turkey last spring. But those woods where you find your mushrooms is sacred ground.

436 posted on 04/12/2002 8:49:23 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: CarolAnn
I've never before seen so many morels as this spring.I didn't know they could be so thick.

What we can't use fresh we saute' and freeze.If you know a better way to put them up I would appreciate any tips.

437 posted on 04/12/2002 9:46:29 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Liberty Teeth
LOL - Is that real?
438 posted on 04/12/2002 9:50:32 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CarolAnn
Also,30 years ago,if I remember,turkeys were just getting a good start in the state and no hunting was allowed.

It's just terrible how the use of hunters for game management along with hunters footing the bills have devastated the deer and turkey populations in your state.HarHar.

The Verdigris and Elk Rivers are still a couple of my favorites.Around 1970 I got rousted by some lawmen about ten miles out of Lawrence.They were kind of antisocial until they found that my bags were full of poke and dock instead of what some folks gathered in that area at the time.That was fun.

439 posted on 04/12/2002 11:15:55 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: SJackson
I think the cougar story was about hunting Florida Panthers which are an endangered subspecies.Hunting them would ethically be on a par with hunting California Condors.

I may not remember correctly,I'm on some heavy meds and not tracking well but it struck me as the type story a hunter might use to(bait)an antihunter after giving up on rational thought getting through the self inflicted ignorance.

After seeing the outrageous accusations made against hunters on these threads it's easy to imagine a group of fed up hunters telling some pretty good whoppers just to get someones' goat.If that is the case it certainly seems to have worked.

440 posted on 04/13/2002 1:28:37 AM PDT by Free Trapper
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